In the fifth season, tenth episode of the "Acquired" podcast, co-hosts Ben Gilbert and David Rosenthal, along with guest Eric Ries, founder and CEO of the Long-Term Stock Exchange (LTSE), delve into the creation and vision of the LTSE. Approved by the SEC as the fifth national securities exchange, the LTSE aims to address issues in public markets such as short-termism and lack of transparency in shareholder identities. Ries, also known for his influential 2011 book "The Lean Startup," discusses the LTSE's origins from an idea in his book and the journey to raising $68 million from top venture funds. The episode touches on the polarizing nature of new ideas, the evolution of the lean startup methodology, and the LTSE's ambitious goal to align financial infrastructure with the values of a new generation of companies and investors.
"Today we tell the story of an incredibly ambitious undertaking, creating a new stock exchange, a long term stock exchange, that is. Earlier this year, the LTSE was approved by the SEC as only the fifth body with such a license."
The quote outlines the episode's focus on the LTSE and its approval as a significant new player in the national securities exchange landscape, emphasizing the ambitious nature of the undertaking.
"You basically piss away the credibility you've carefully built up over 299 preceding pages. You flush it all away in one page. It's that bad, you must take it out of the manuscript."
This quote from a test reader highlights the initial skepticism and perceived risk associated with the LTSE concept presented in "The Lean Startup."
"I think I am primarily the one to blame for the overuse of the phrase MVP."
Eric Ries acknowledges his role in popularizing the MVP concept, which is now a cornerstone in startup development practices.
"The LTSE has an ambitious vision to fix many of the problems that they see in the public markets today, from short-termism, abrupt changes in governance, from so-called tourist investors and visibility into who a public company's shareholders really are."
The quote summarizes the LTSE's mission to address fundamental issues in the current public market system, highlighting its ambitious and reformative goals.
"I was originally in the class of 2000, so the .com bubble swept through the world while I was an undergrad."
Eric Ries contextualizes his early entrepreneurial experience within the .com bubble era, illustrating the high-risk, high-reward environment of that time.
"He was a their investor. So I was very lucky. I mean, honestly, I don't deserve any of this. I was very fortunate."
Eric Ries acknowledges the role of serendipity and the influence of Steve Blank on his career path, highlighting the importance of mentorship and learning from experienced entrepreneurs.
"If you're going to make entrepreneurship and the entrepreneurial ecosystem a career, which is really like, that's a new thing possible in history."
This quote reflects on the changing perception of entrepreneurship as a career choice, noting its evolution into a recognized and sustainable path.
"Lean startup isn't even the first try, by the way. It took me a long time to find a way to talk about this that I could get civilians interested in, like, process junkies and people who are into management."
The quote explains the iterative process Eric Ries went through to refine the Lean Startup methodology into a format that was accessible and interesting to a wider audience, not just management enthusiasts.
"I brought a professional CEO. We didn't totally get along. I was like, you know what? I'm not going to be the founder who has to be kicked out. I'm just going to voluntarily transition out."
This quote highlights Eric's decision to step down proactively from his CEO role to avoid a forced exit, a common scenario in the startup world.
"I would start telling them stories about what had worked for us at IMVU. And I would say we ship software to production 40 times a day on average. And they'd be like, sure, that could work for like three person team, but it could never work for a six person team or whatever size n they were."
This quote illustrates the skepticism Eric Ries encountered when advocating for frequent software deployment, a practice that was unconventional at the time but central to the Lean Startup methodology.
"It was called startup lessons learned in the passive voice. Not by anybody. They had been learned. The startup had learned its own lesson somehow, mysteriously."
The quote humorously describes the naming of his blog, emphasizing the passive acquisition of knowledge by startups through experience.
"Yeah, it's hard to remember now, but ten years ago was a financial crisis. Remember rip, good times and the whole thing. So first of all, it was very convenient to be known as the lean startup guy at a time when Sequoia Capital is telling everyone to cut costs."
Eric Ries reflects on the timing of the Lean Startup's rise to prominence, coinciding with a period where cost-efficiency was a critical concern for companies due to the financial crisis.
"LTSC is our attempt to fix that problem by aligning ourselves with the next generation of leaders of companies who have a very different value system than what's come before."
This quote explains the mission of the LTSE, which is to create a financial infrastructure that aligns with the values of new-generation leaders who prioritize long-term goals and social impact.
"So now you have a situation, I think, in the public markets where what used to be a loud cacophony of voices in the marketplace voting on buying and selling shares, the number of active human voices has been reduced hugely."
David Rosenthal comments on the reduced number of active participants in the public markets, setting the stage for the LTSE's proposed changes to encourage long-term thinking.
"That we need to have a principles-based approach here. So we need companies to say, I'm willing to sign up to these principles, for example, that the long-term investors are my valued partners and should be rewarded accordingly."
Eric Ries emphasizes the importance of a principles-based approach in the LTSE, where companies make concrete commitments to support and reward long-term investors.
"Even though we have a lot of seed stage activity right now, we could have exponentially more if we would unfreeze all these transactions."
This quote emphasizes the idea that unlocking frozen transactions could significantly boost seed stage activities in the market.
"Very few founders can actually justify perpetual, dual class control of a company."
This quote highlights the skepticism among founders regarding the justification of maintaining dual-class control structures within companies.
"For a long time, economics and governance were really tightly coupled, except for companies like media companies, where there was a reasonable argument of why a dual class structure should exist."
This quote explains the historical context in which dual-class structures were acceptable and the exception of media companies due to the need for editorial independence.
"We see this incredible rise in massively separated classes where the founders own everything."
This quote points out the recent trend of founders retaining significant control over their companies, often to the detriment of other shareholders.
"If you're going to be dual class organized, I think that's okay. But then you have to have a way for the long term investors to join you in that privileged class."
This quote proposes a solution where long-term investors can gain more influence over time, aligning with the founder's interests in the company's longevity.
"Every quarter that you hold the stock at adding some multiplier to the amount of votes you get."
This quote introduces a specific mechanism for increasing long-term investors' voting power based on the duration of their investment.
"So there's kind of a big debate about what's the best system."
This quote acknowledges the ongoing debate about the most effective and fair governance system in the context of shareholder voting rights.
"We don't want to mess around with vote. Voting control isn't even really our issue."
This quote suggests that for some companies, the primary concern is not voting control but creating incentives for long-term investment.
"He's genuinely a tourist in the best sense of the word. He does not care."
This quote characterizes quantitative traders as disinterested in company governance, viewing their trading activities as purely transactional.
"Your employees are generally your longest term shareholders and so they're watching the ticker."
This quote reveals the impact of stock price volatility on a company's employees, who are often long-term shareholders.
"If private companies can raise unlimited capital on whatever terms they want, whenever they want, with no disclosure requirements, no accountability, no publicity, why would they go public?"
This quote questions the incentive for companies to go public given the freedom and lack of stringent requirements in the private markets.
"We run by far the largest corporate governance platform for startups."
This quote illustrates the speaker's involvement in promoting good governance practices among startups through a governance platform.
"We should begin operations in 2020, and then we will be legally authorized to begin the process of soliciting companies to list on LTSE."
This quote outlines the timeline for LTSE to start its operations and begin engaging with potential companies for listing.
"We're trying to move the industry in a good direction."
This quote encapsulates the LTSE's goal to influence the industry towards better governance and long-term thinking.
"We make our money by selling you products and services that you believe are value add, and we sell some products and services to your long term investors."
This quote emphasizes the LTSE's business model, which is centered around providing value-adding services to companies and their long-term investors, distinguishing it from other exchanges that may prioritize trading volume and short-term gains.
"We'd like there to be at least one whose main job is to serve its actual customers."
The quote conveys the LTSE's mission to serve companies and investors as their primary customers, challenging the conventional focus of financial institutions on traders.
"Nvidia is one of their major partners, and literally Crusoe's data centers are nothing but racks and racks of a because Crusoe's cloud is purpose built for AI and run on wasted, stranded or clean energy, they can provide significantly better performance per dollar than traditional cloud providers."
This quote outlines Crusoe's partnership with Nvidia and their unique value proposition of using stranded energy for better performance and cost efficiency in AI workloads, highlighting their environmental and economic benefits.
"We are trying to fix a trillion dollar problem in capitalism itself... Whether we capture any of it for ourselves, I don't know. Probably is going to be fine."
This quote reflects the LTSE's ambitious goal to address fundamental issues in capitalism and its indifference towards the monetary gain for the company, focusing instead on the broader impact.
"We have become so intermediated. It's unbelievable... Having good ownership really is a source of competitive advantage."
This quote discusses the problematic separation between companies and long-term investors due to intermediaries, and how LTSE is working to bridge that gap, emphasizing the importance of direct relationships for success.
"Everything we do on the early stage size is free or freemium, so we're not extracting fees from anybody. We don't think that's right."
This quote highlights LTSE's commitment to supporting early-stage companies without imposing financial burdens, aligning with their mission of fostering long-term growth and innovation.
"Webflow is the very first application that said, okay, here are the core primitives... And what we're going to do is create a pretty shallow abstraction that still forces you to understand those core principles."
This quote explains how Webflow's approach differs from other WYSIWYG editors by requiring users to engage with the foundational concepts of web design, contributing to its effective product-market fit.