New UFO Witnesses Break Silence to Investigator - UAP Gerb - DEBRIEFED ep. 49

In this engaging discussion, UAP Gerb, also known as Sam, delves into various intriguing aspects of UFO phenomena, including firsthand witness accounts of unidentified aerial phenomena and potential government cover-ups. He shares insights from military personnel who have reportedly seen advanced craft at sites like Area 51 and S4, discussing the secrecy and compartmentalization within these programs. The conversation touches on the complexities of funding for such projects, the role of private contractors, and the challenges of achieving disclosure. Sam emphasizes the importance of credible witnesses and the need for transparency to unravel the mysteries surrounding UFOs and potential non-human intelligence.

• Witness accounts from military personnel describe encounters with unidentified flying objects (UFOs) and unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs) at military sites.
• A friend of the speaker, who was in Army public affairs, witnessed a large black triangle craft at Area 51 that took off vertically at incredible speeds without disturbing the dust around it.
• Another account involves a C5 Galaxy aircraft transporting a Tic Tac-shaped object, which caused illness among servicemen attempting to secure its tarp.

"He sees a huge black triangle and it just takes off at incredible speeds vertically. Doesn't disturb any of the dust around it."

• This quote highlights the extraordinary capabilities of the black triangle craft, suggesting advanced technology beyond current human capabilities.

"A C5 Galaxy from a US airlift wing pulled in, front opens, and what else is pulled out but a tic tac described as like pearlescent, perfect, beautiful."

• The description of the Tic Tac as "pearlescent, perfect, beautiful" emphasizes its otherworldly appearance and precision.

• Discussion on secretive programs within the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) and intelligence community related to UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering.
• These programs are often funded through indefinite delivery, indefinite quantity (IDIQ) contracts, allowing for extensive, untraceable funding.
• The involvement of private contractors like Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, and Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC) is significant in these programs.

"David Grush have talked about funds being used through these contract methods to fund UFO legacy programs dealing with crash recovery reverse engineering of non-human craft."

• This quote suggests that significant resources are being allocated to the study and potential reverse engineering of non-human technology.

"The majority of Congress isn't read in. I would be encouraged to tell people to take a long hard look at who in Congress has been on the MITER payroll specifically and sic."

• This implies a lack of transparency and oversight in Congress regarding these programs, with potential conflicts of interest among members.

• The podcast discusses various firsthand witness accounts of UFO sightings and encounters, emphasizing the importance of these testimonies in understanding the phenomenon.
• Witnesses include military personnel and contractors who have encountered unexplained craft and phenomena.
• The podcast host, Sam, emphasizes the importance of building a case around witness testimonies to validate their experiences.

"He was held at gunpoint, taken to the ditto area of Douggeway, which is another area existing area of Dougway, and debriefed for hours, told not to talk about it and so forth."

• This quote illustrates the secrecy and potential repercussions faced by witnesses who encounter UFOs at military sites.

"There's one guy I've talked to, I think he's still employed in military service, but a C5 Galaxy from a US airlift wing pulled in, front opens, and what else is pulled out but a tic tac."

• This testimony provides a detailed account of a Tic Tac-shaped object being transported by the military, suggesting its significance.

• Private contractors play a crucial role in UFO-related programs, often holding key positions and conducting research and development.
• The use of private contractors allows for minimal congressional oversight and protection of intellectual property.
• Companies like SAIC and MITRE are heavily involved in these programs, often employing former military and intelligence personnel.

"The fact that that list that was sort of given or shown to Admiral Wilson at the time was to his surprise mostly private contracting names they weren't military."

• This indicates the significant involvement of private contractors in UFO-related programs, often overshadowing direct military involvement.

"They trade in their stars and stripes for a pinstripe suit and they head over to SIC."

• The transition of military and intelligence personnel to private contractors underscores the deep connections between these entities.

• The podcast discusses the secretive nature of underwater UFO operations and the role of NURO in these activities.
• NURO is responsible for underwater reconnaissance and recovery operations, often involving advanced technology.
• The potential existence of underwater UFOs and their recovery is a topic of interest and speculation.

"The US has its own unagnowledged intelligence agency that deals exclusively with underwater reconnaissance. The National Underwater Reconnaissance Office."

• This highlights the specialized and secretive nature of underwater UFO operations conducted by NURO.

"Sand dollar was an itemized inventory of every single item of national security interest nuclear and otherwise on the seafloor."

• This suggests the extensive capabilities of NURO in identifying and retrieving objects of interest from the ocean floor.

• Sam, the podcast host, shares his personal journey and motivation for researching UFOs, emphasizing his dedication to uncovering the truth.
• His background in engineering and passion for UFOs drive his investigative work and content creation.
• Sam's goal is to bring forth disclosure of UFO legacy programs and facilitate public understanding of the phenomenon.

"I have a background in engineering? Yeah, I got my degree in engineering from Colorado State."

• This provides insight into Sam's technical background and analytical approach to UFO research.

"My mission is to try to bring forth the disclosure of UFO Legacy program."

• Sam's dedication to uncovering the truth and promoting transparency in UFO-related programs is evident in his mission statement.

• Discussion on the use of underwater sensors to monitor unidentified submerged objects (USOs) similar to satellite surveillance.
• Mention of large USOs and their impact on naval vessels, including disabling electronics.

"Program you tape monitoring sensors to the ocean floor basically... to listen from the ocean floor similar to we have satellites run by the NRO up in space."

• The use of underwater sensors is akin to satellite surveillance, highlighting the strategic importance of monitoring USOs.

"There is so much discussion about enormous like aircraft carrier-sized USOs... disabling electronics on the craft as it passed under."

• Large USOs have been reported to interfere with naval operations, indicating advanced technology and potential threats.

• Alien crafts and their biologics are described as disposable, built for specific tasks.
• Historical crash retrievals show a lack of life-support systems, suggesting biologics are solely for craft operation.

"The biologics also seem to be disposable... almost like worker bees built to perform one task."

• The biologics associated with alien crafts are designed for specific missions, reflecting a utilitarian approach to their creation.

"Golden age crash retrievals... there's a complete absence of food systems or bathrooms or dormitories in the craft."

• The absence of life-support systems in retrieved crafts supports the idea that biologics are not meant for long-term survival.

• Discussion on human-made reproduction vehicles, such as the flux liner and TR3B, inspired by alien technology.
• The term "ARV" originated from Brad S in 1988 and has been associated with various sightings.

"Humans have our own reproduced vehicles... the term has been associated with Steven Greer."

• ARVs are a significant area of interest, with origins traced back to specific individuals and events.

"There's a lot of interesting stories about reproduction vehicles... flux liner, triangle TR3B, XF-131 Super Sentinel."

• Various ARVs have been reported, suggesting a broad scope of reverse-engineered technology.

• Challenges faced by government officials in addressing the UFO phenomenon, with political and bureaucratic obstacles.
• Discussion on the role of government agencies and the need for high-level intervention.

"Members of the Senate... would pull witnesses and work with Arrow to interview witnesses and such."

• Government efforts are hindered by political considerations, limiting effective action on UFO issues.

"It has to be on like the DNI type level... the director of national intelligence."

• High-level intervention is deemed necessary to overcome bureaucratic inertia and address the UFO phenomenon.

• The prevalence of disinformation complicates the understanding of UFO phenomena.
• Importance of witness testimonies and the challenges in obtaining credible disclosures.

"There's so much disinformation... it's such a difficult mess for newcomers to track."

• Disinformation creates confusion, making it challenging to discern credible information.

"Witnesses need to be subpoenaed... force them to disclose."

• Subpoenaing witnesses is suggested as a method to obtain reliable testimonies and advance understanding.

• Exploration of communication methods with NHI, including psionics and telepathic interactions.
• Historical accounts of agreements and interactions with NHI.

"Psionics are used to communicate with Craft... summoning of craft to take them down and retrieve the craft."

• Psionics and consciousness-based communication are key areas of interest in interactions with NHI.

"Deals made with NHI... Hollowman Air Force Base and Eisenhower, Briata treaty."

• Historical claims of agreements with NHI suggest longstanding interactions and negotiations.

• The complexity and layered nature of UFO research make it difficult for newcomers and officials to grasp.
• The need for transparency and accountability in government and military investigations.

"It's so layered that even the people who are directly involved... don't really understand what's going on."

• The intricate nature of UFO research presents significant challenges in achieving a comprehensive understanding.

"Why don't they just hire you? Why aren't you the guy?"

• There is a call for knowledgeable individuals to lead investigations, highlighting the need for expertise in the field.

• Private corporations' involvement in storing and potentially developing alien technology.
• The significance of special-purpose hangars and facilities.

"Amentum owns hangers that are now storing recovered or produced or just found or donated vehicles."

• Private corporations play a crucial role in managing and possibly advancing UFO-related technology.

"MITER Corporation is a fedally funded research and development center... the tip of the spear for Navy programs."

• MITER Corporation is identified as a key player in the development and management of UFO-related projects.

• Discussion of TREAT, referred to as a "men in black" type group, possibly linked to advanced craft sightings.
• Mention of CIA involvement in the 1950s, conducting tests with advanced craft mistaken for UFOs.

"We hear about these guys and these run-ins, especially after sightings and stuff. And even John Ramirez, who was here, said that in the early 50s, a lot of those guys were just CIA because they were just conducting they were doing actual tests out there with like advanced craft."

• CIA operatives were involved in covering up sightings by dismissing them or bribing witnesses.

• Difficulty in obtaining credible testimonies due to fear and secrecy surrounding advanced programs.
• Persistent efforts to contact potential witnesses, often resulting in being blocked or ignored.

"I have spent months trying to track down. I love that. You mentioned this yesterday and it's something I want to touch on a little earlier, but I'm so glad you brought it up."

• Challenges faced in speaking to individuals involved in secret programs, including being blocked from communication.

• Discussion of DUMBs and their separation from traditional military operations.
• Corporations like Lockheed Martin and the Rand Corporation's involvement in underground bases.

"I'm a huge proponent in deep underground military bases a lot of these times these people don't even operate on the same elevation as their traditional military counterparts."

• Historical context of deep basing sites and their potential uses for craft storage and operations.

• Anticipation for a new documentary about Bob Lazar's story and its impact on the UFO community.
• Discussion of Lazar's claims about advanced craft and the challenges of presenting his story accurately.

"As for the Bob Lazar story, everybody I think is I think this is the most anticipated movie in the UFO sphere, you know."

• The complexity and layers of Lazar's story and the efforts to represent it comprehensively in media.

• The role of corporations and government agencies in managing and concealing UFO-related activities.
• Historical examples of technology transfer from military to civilian industries.

"The CIA will develop something... and then release it to the public or, you know, give it to a corporation."

• The strategic use of corporate partnerships to manage information and resources related to UFO programs.

• Discussion on the challenges of convincing the public about UFOs and advanced technology.
• The gradual nature of disclosure and the role of media and cultural shifts in changing perceptions.

"I think disclosure is a journey. And I think what we're doing here in these podcasts and your videos as well, Jesse's videos and everybody else doing this type of stuff, I think we are the paradigm shift."

• The importance of cultural and generational changes in accepting the reality of UFOs.

• The ethical implications of working within secretive programs and the potential personal sacrifices involved.
• The role of individuals in maintaining secrecy and the pressures they face.

"If there's a general who ran these programs and has documentation that he would bring forward and say, 'I'm ready to speak about this.' I think that would revolutionize everything."

• The potential impact of credible disclosures on public understanding and policy changes.

• The possibility of people living permanently in underground bases and the implications for their lives.
• The logistical and ethical considerations of maintaining secrecy in such environments.

"There are probably people that live on site. That spend their lives there, I'm sure. Never see the sun."

• The challenges of balancing secrecy with the need for human interaction and ethical treatment of personnel.

• The rarity of deathbed confessions related to UFO programs and the potential reasons for this.
• The idea of capturing confessions for posthumous release to preserve critical information.

"I always had a I had an idea for a podcast, a completely ludicrous idea, but called Deathbed. And you film a podcast with all these people and you sign a contract saying this will not be released until your death."

• The potential value and challenges of obtaining and sharing such confessions to advance public knowledge.

• Individuals involved in legacy programs often suffer from PTSD due to the isolation and stress of harboring knowledge that cannot be shared.
• The fear of accidentally revealing classified information is a constant source of stress for those involved in secret programs.
• The repercussions of disclosing information can range from threats to pensions and finances to severe legal consequences.

"There are multiple people I know have worked alongside or in legacy programs that suffer from PTSD. Not only from not just from like seeing I've seen an alien body, but just from harboring feeling so isolated and harboring knowledge that nobody else has."

• The psychological toll of keeping secrets is significant, leading to feelings of isolation and fear of accidental disclosure.

• Individuals who attempt to disclose information about secret programs face severe threats, including financial ruin and false incrimination.
• The use of extreme measures to silence whistleblowers is a common tactic to maintain secrecy.

"I've even heard of like putting CP on people's computers and stuff like that. Like wild stuff."

• The mention of planting incriminating material is an example of the lengths to which agencies might go to discredit and silence individuals.

• The concept of building a "starting five" team for disclosure involves selecting key individuals from various backgrounds to facilitate the release of secret information.
• The team should consist of people with diverse expertise, including military, scientific, and journalistic backgrounds.

"David Grush, unnamed military guy number one, Ed from the 412, Bobby Ray Inman, and H."

• The selection of team members is strategic, aiming to cover different aspects of intelligence, science, and engineering.

• Circular reporting is a significant issue in the field, where the same stories are repeated without new evidence.
• Bringing new perspectives and avoiding recycled information is crucial for credible research.

"There seems to be a lot of the same stories bouncing back and forth, back and forth. I do want to largely avoid that."

• Emphasizing the need for fresh insights and avoiding reliance on recycled narratives is essential for progress.

• Confusion is deliberately introduced to prevent a clear path to the truth, ensuring that all information remains in a state of uncertainty.
• Disinformation is a tool used to discredit genuine research and maintain secrecy.

"Confusion as soon as that's put out there, nobody can go down a direct path to the truth. You're forced to just have everything in suspension."

• The deliberate creation of confusion serves to protect sensitive information and prevent definitive conclusions.

• The possibility of time travel and remote viewing is discussed as potential capabilities of secret agencies.
• Witness testimonies suggest the use of advanced technologies to view parallel existences or future events.

"He talked about using the sphere as like a a described like a remote viewing tool, but the tool allowed the user to like basically view parallel sort of existences to us."

• The concept of using advanced tools for remote viewing suggests a level of technological capability beyond conventional understanding.

• The study of anomalies leads to the exploration of various historical and contemporary phenomena, including potential connections to Nazi technology.
• The retrieval of craft from archaeological sites is a topic of interest, suggesting long-standing interactions with advanced technologies.

"Craft foundering archa archaeological digs."

• The idea of ancient technology being discovered in archaeological contexts raises questions about historical interactions with advanced civilizations.

• The Aztec UFO incident is highlighted as a significant event with efforts made to discredit witnesses and evidence.
• The successful discrediting of the incident suggests a coordinated effort to suppress information.

"It might be one of the most important retrievals I think in history due to you know what they did retrieve, where it went and how the operation was conducted around discrediting witnesses."

• The systematic discrediting of witnesses and evidence points to the importance of the incident and the lengths taken to keep it under wraps.

• Audience questions reveal skepticism and curiosity about various claims and whistleblower testimonies.
• The discussion of specific cases and documents highlights the challenges in verifying the authenticity of information.

"What's the most convincing clue you've uncovered that there's actually a there there regarding NHI?"

• Engaging with audience questions provides an opportunity to address common doubts and reinforce credible evidence.

• The exploration of Nazi connections to UFO technology remains an intriguing yet under-researched area.
• The potential presence of non-human entities on the moon and other celestial bodies is another area of interest.

"Nazis and UFOs. 100%. I've done Nazis and dums. I've done the magenta crash, but Nazi actual efforts to study non-human technology like DLOA."

• Identifying gaps in current research can guide future investigations and uncover new insights into historical and contemporary phenomena.