The Angel Philosopher Naval Ravikant on Reading, Making Decisions, Habits, and the Purpose of Life

Shane Parrish engages in a deep conversation with Naval Ravikant, CEO and co-founder of AngelList, exploring themes of decision-making, reading habits, and personal philosophy. Naval, an investor in over 100 companies, discusses his approach to life, emphasizing the importance of rational thinking, internal happiness, and living in the present. He shares insights on the limitations of traditional education, the significance of foundational values, and the pitfalls of seeking external validation for happiness. Naval also touches on the concept of rational Buddhism, advocating for a life led by internal fulfillment rather than external achievements.

• Naval Ravikant is the CEO and co-founder of AngelList.
• AngelList is a platform for startups in the tech industry, helping with fundraising, recruiting, and product launches.
• Naval is also involved in investing, advising, and cryptocurrency.

"AngelList is sort of this platform for startups in the tech industry, and we help entrepreneurs raise money... recruit talent... and find jobs into startups."

• AngelList is a comprehensive platform for various startup needs, making it a significant player in the tech ecosystem.

• Naval does not have a typical day and prefers flexibility.
• He focuses on productivity and happiness rather than adhering to a strict schedule.

"I don't have a typical day nor do I want a typical day... all I care about is am I doing what I want to do and being productive and am I happy."

• Naval values flexibility and personal satisfaction over rigid schedules, emphasizing the importance of productivity and happiness.

• Reading was Naval's first love, influenced by spending time in libraries as a child.
• He reads a variety of genres, starting from comic books to philosophy.

"Reading was my first love... I was a latchkey kid... the library was my after-school center."

• Naval's early exposure to a wide range of reading materials fostered a deep love for reading.

• Naval primarily reads on Kindle for convenience but buys physical copies of books he loves.
• He spends significantly on books, viewing them as investments rather than expenses.

"For convenience, it's mostly Kindle... for books that I really, really like, I will also buy a physical copy."

• Naval treats books as valuable investments, prioritizing learning and personal growth over cost.

• Naval believes in re-reading great books multiple times to fully absorb their wisdom.

"I don't want to read everything; I just want to read the 100 great books over and over again."

• Re-reading allows deeper understanding and integration of valuable insights into one's psyche.

• Naval's reading list includes diverse topics such as physics, philosophy, science fiction, and self-help.
• Examples include "Sapiens," works by Jiddu Krishnamurti, and "Tools of Titans" by Tim Ferriss.

"I'm rereading 'Sapiens' again... always reading something by either Jiddu Krishnamurti or Osho."

• Naval's eclectic reading choices reflect his broad interests and continuous quest for knowledge.

• Naval treats books like blogs, skimming through them to find interesting sections rather than reading cover-to-cover.
• He values the condensed wisdom found in blogs and applies a similar approach to books.

"I treat books the same way... I'll skim through a large number of books... until I find a part that's interesting."

• This approach allows Naval to maximize his learning efficiently, focusing on parts that capture his interest.

• Naval emphasizes the importance of deliberate habit formation and breaking unproductive habits.
• He challenges the notion that habits can only be replaced, arguing they can be broken with effort.

"I think you can uncondition yourself, you can untrain yourself, it's just hard."

• Naval believes in the possibility of breaking habits entirely, advocating for conscious effort and self-awareness.

• Naval prioritizes his physical health above all else, including happiness and family.
• His daily morning workout is a non-negotiable habit that has significantly improved his life.

"My number one priority in life above my happiness, above my family, above my work is my own health."

• By making health his top priority, Naval ensures consistent physical well-being, which positively impacts other areas of his life.

• Naval defines happiness as a default state where nothing is missing, leading to internal silence and contentment.
• He aims to turn off his "monkey mind," reducing unnecessary thoughts and living more in the present.

"Happiness is that state when nothing is missing... your mind stops running into the future or running into the past."

• Naval's concept of happiness involves minimizing desires and judgments, fostering a state of internal peace and contentment.

• Naval reduced alcohol consumption by understanding its availability and desire factors.
• He shifted his social circles and activities to environments where drinking is not necessary.

"I was drinking so that I wouldn't be thinking... so I went back to cultivating states of not thinking too much."

• By addressing the root causes of his drinking habit, Naval effectively reduced his alcohol intake and improved his overall well-being.

• Naval's approach to life involves continuous learning, flexibility, deliberate habit formation, and prioritizing health and happiness.
• His success is attributed to these principles, along with a deep love for reading and self-improvement.

"I think that alone accounts for any material success that I've had in my life and the intelligence that I might have."

• Naval's holistic approach to life emphasizes the importance of personal growth, health, and happiness as foundational elements of success.

• Positive thoughts inherently contain a negative aspect, reflecting the dual nature of experiences.
• Happiness is not about positive or negative thoughts but the absence of desire, especially for external things.
• The fewer desires one has, the happier and more content one can be, as the mind exists in motion towards the future or past.
• Embracing the present moment and accepting reality as it is can lead to a state of happiness and contentment.

"Every positive thought essentially holds within a negative thought; it's a contrast to something negative."

• This quote highlights the inherent duality in thoughts, where positive and negative aspects coexist.

"Happiness is not about positive thoughts and stuff but not about negative thoughts; it's about the absence of desire, especially absence and desire for external things."

• Emphasizes that true happiness comes from reducing desires and not being attached to external factors.

• Nature operates without concepts of happiness or unhappiness, following mathematical laws and cause and effect.
• Human minds create concepts of happiness and unhappiness based on desires and expectations.
• Viewing oneself as insignificant in the grand scheme can reduce the pressure to conform the universe to personal desires.

"Nature has no concept of happiness or unhappiness... everything is perfect exactly the way it is."

• Nature's indifference to human concepts of happiness serves as a model for accepting reality as it is.

"If you view yourself as a material amoeba or if you view all of your works as riding on water or building castles in the sand, then you have no expectation from how life should actually be."

• Reducing the significance of the self can lead to acceptance and reduce the cause for unhappiness.

• Keeping an eye on the internal monologue can help in staying present and reducing unnecessary thoughts.
• Running the brain in "debug mode" involves observing and questioning thoughts to stay focused on the present moment.
• Singular focus and being lost in the present activity can enhance happiness and effectiveness.

"I try to run my brain in debugging mode as much as possible... just the awareness that my brain was running off in the future in planning some fantasy scenario out of ego."

• Observing and questioning thoughts helps in staying present and reducing unnecessary mental activity.

"I think the ability to singularly focus is related to the ability to lose yourself and be present, happy, and actually ironically more effective."

• Singular focus on the present moment can lead to greater happiness and effectiveness.

• Awareness is the core, calm, and content state of the mind, while the ego-driven "monkey mind" is anxious and worried.
• The goal is to stay in the awareness state and activate the ego-driven state only when necessary.
• Recognizing that one is more than just their mind, habits, and preferences can lead to greater self-awareness and control.

"I'm actually going back to my awareness level OS which is always calm, all is peaceful, and generally happy and content."

• Staying in the core awareness state can lead to a more peaceful and content existence.

"You are more than just your mind, you are more than just your habits, you're more than just your preferences."

• Recognizing the distinction between the self and the mind's activities can lead to greater self-control and awareness.

• Foundational values are core principles that one does not compromise on.
• Examples include honesty, long-term thinking, pure relationships, and avoiding anger.
• Values help in finding great relationships and maintaining consistency in life.

"Foundational values to me are things that I've looked at very, very carefully about myself and I've deliberately chosen."

• Foundational values are carefully chosen principles that guide one's life.

"I don't believe in any short-term thinking or dealing... all the benefits in life come from compound interests."

• Emphasizes the importance of long-term thinking and relationships.

• Radical honesty involves being true to oneself and others without unnecessary negative comments.
• It promotes freedom and congruence between thoughts and speech.
• Combining radical honesty with constructive criticism can lead to better relationships and self-awareness.

"What radical honesty just means that I want to be free. Part of being free means that I can say what I think and think what I say."

• Radical honesty is about aligning thoughts and speech for greater freedom and authenticity.

"If you have a criticism of someone, then don't criticize the person, criticize the general approach."

• Constructive criticism focuses on general approaches rather than personal attacks.

• One can control how they interpret events and respond to them.
• Techniques like meditation, cognitive therapy, and taking walks in nature can help in managing mental states.
• Recognizing the out-of-control nature of the mind is the first step towards gaining control over it.

"The first thing to realize is that you can actually observe your mental state."

• Observing the mind's activities is the first step towards gaining control over it.

"If you're angry about something or if you get an unhappy email and you want to respond, don't respond for 24 hours."

• Delaying reactions can help in reducing emotional responses and gaining better control over one's actions.

• Life is fundamentally a single-player game where one is born alone and dies alone.
• External validation and social games are less important compared to internal happiness and self-improvement.
• Competing against oneself and focusing on internal progress can lead to greater fulfillment.

"Life is a single-player game... all your interpretations are alone, all your memories are alone."

• Emphasizes the solitary nature of life and the importance of internal progress.

"We compete purely on multiplayer games, but the reality is life is a single-player game."

• Highlights the distinction between social competition and the personal journey of life.

• Beliefs about macroeconomics, societal organization, and other grand concepts are often unfalsifiable and subject to change.
• Focusing on micro-level changes, such as personal improvement and immediate environment, can be more effective.
• Embracing micro-level actions over macro-level ideologies can lead to more tangible and meaningful progress.

"I just think of macroeconomics now as junk science... microeconomics and game theory are fundamental."

• Emphasizes the importance of micro-level understanding over macro-level ideologies.

"I don't believe in macro improving the world... change yourself, then maybe change your family and your neighbor."

• Advocates for focusing on personal and immediate changes rather than grand societal transformations.

• The singularity refers to a point where technological change accelerates to the extent that it fundamentally alters human existence.
• General AI and other technological advancements could lead to significant changes in human life.
• The concept of the singularity is seen as speculative and akin to a religion for tech enthusiasts.

"The singularity is this idea that technological change is accelerating and at some point, the acceleration gets so great that there's massive change in our lifetimes."

• Describes the concept of the singularity and its potential impact on human life.

"I think it's religion for nerds... it's got all the same characteristics, it's unfalsifiable until it happens."

• Critiques the concept of the singularity as speculative and akin to a belief system.

• Technological advancement and its limitations:
  • The belief in technological perfection through advancements is seen as far-fetched.
  • Complexity in nature and human systems is vast, and current science has only scratched the surface.
  • Physics still faces unsolved problems like the three-body problem and modeling complex systems.

"We cannot properly model complex systems. We can't tell the weather next week. We still can't solve the vast majority of chronic diseases."

• AI and its current state:
  • General AI is not significantly closer than it was 20 years ago.
  • Specific AI advancements are real but limited to data processing problems.

"If I dump huge amounts of real-world images into a neural network, then I can do better image recognition. No question that is real. That is a data-driven solution."

• Singularity and its implications:
  • Belief in the singularity is seen as pernicious because it distracts from living in the present.
  • It offers false hope for future salvation, akin to the concept of an afterlife.

"I think it's delusional to think that you're somehow gonna be saved before you die by some combination of AI and magic science. You just have to live the life you have."

• Living in the moment:
  • Focusing on the present is crucial for happiness.
  • Future planning and dwelling on the past can prevent one from experiencing the present fully.

"There is actually nothing but this moment. No one has ever gone back in time, and no one has ever been able to predict the future successfully in any way that matters."

• Obsolescence of current education:
  • The education system is outdated and was designed for needs that no longer exist.
  • It originated from medieval universities and has not adapted to modern knowledge accessibility.

"The education system is a path-dependent outcome from the need for daycare, from the need for prisons for college-aged males who would otherwise overrun society and cause a lot of havoc."

• Self-motivated learning:
  • The internet offers abundant resources for self-motivated learners.
  • Traditional schools are less relevant for those who are self-driven in their education.

"It's very, very easy to learn if you actually have the desire to learn. Everything is on the Internet."

• Issues with current learning methods:
  • Memorization is outdated in the age of Google and smartphones.
  • The pace of learning and the one-size-fits-all model are problematic.

"Memorization is absolutely... why should you be memorizing the Battle of Trafalgar? Why should you be memorizing what the capital of this or that state is?"

• Proposed changes to education:
  • Focus on teaching practical skills and basics well.
  • Emphasize self-guided and interactive learning through technology.

"I would love to create a very low-cost, very rugged, easily powered, cheap Android tablet that's hard to destroy and basically distribute them around the world with pre-built learning applications."

• Focus on basics:
  • Emphasis on understanding fundamental concepts in science and mathematics.
  • Avoiding advanced topics unless they align with personal interests.

"I'm more likely to do something that is arithmetic than calculus. I'm not going to be a great physicist at this point."

• Reading diverse materials:
  • Reading a variety of content, including controversial or opposing viewpoints, to gain a broader understanding.

"I found myself in some random dark hole on Twitter the other day where I was reading this guy's tweets... he was a full-blown white supremacist... but it was still fascinating, and he's still really smart."

• Avoiding note-taking:
  • Prefers to stay present and not get bogged down by taking notes or clinging to past information.

"I just don't believe in anything from the past. Anything. No memories, no regrets, no people, no trips, nothing."

• Importance of decision-making:
  • Good decision-making is crucial and can lead to significant leverage and success.
  • Focus on avoiding mistakes rather than making perfect decisions.

"Being successful is just about not making mistakes. It's not about having correct judgments; it's about avoiding the incorrect judgments."

• Mental models:
  • Utilizes mental models from evolution, game theory, and influential thinkers like Charlie Munger.
  • These models help in understanding and predicting outcomes.

"The best mental models that I have found have come through evolution, game theory, and Charlie Munger."

• Systems over goals:
  • Prefers creating systems that lead to success rather than setting specific goals.
  • Systems are designed to create environments where one can thrive.

"I don't believe in specific goals. It's about a set of systems."

• Trust and integrity:
  • Evaluates trustworthiness based on long-term knowledge of a person and how they treat others.
  • Integrity is a crucial factor in determining trust.

"Integrity is the hardest one. It usually comes out in two ways: long term, which is just you've known somebody for a while, and short term, which is just kind of see how they treat others."

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• High integrity individuals have an internal moral compass and avoid unethical behavior to maintain self-respect.
• Negotiations with high integrity individuals are often easier as they aim for fairness and long-term relationships.
• People who frequently talk about their honesty may be covering for their dishonesty.

"People who really do things out of integrity have an internal moral compass. They don't do unfair or unethical or bad deals with other people because it would soil their own view of themselves."

• High integrity individuals avoid unethical actions to maintain their self-respect.

"Negotiations with high integrity people are usually very easy, giving each other things to make sure the other person is happy enough the deal survives."

• High integrity in negotiations leads to fairer and more sustainable agreements.

"If someone is going around and talking about how honest they are, they're probably dishonest."

• Excessive self-promotion of honesty can be a red flag for dishonesty.

• Manipulative individuals often push deals too hard and excessively emphasize their honesty.
• "The Art of Manipulation" provides insights into identifying con men and their tactics.

"Some of the tell-tale signs are they will push the deal a little bit too hard, they'll sell just a little bit too hard, they'll talk about how honest they are."

• Indicators of manipulative behavior include over-promotion of honesty and aggressive deal-pushing.

"The name of the book is called 'The Art of Manipulation'... he just lays down how con men work and he puts down there how to spot them when they're being dishonest."

• "The Art of Manipulation" offers practical advice on identifying and understanding con men.

• Engaging in unethical behavior can harm one's self-esteem and self-respect.
• Long-term self-esteem is more valuable than short-term gains from unethical actions.

"If you have too many of these moral shortcomings, you will not respect yourself and the worst outcome in this world is not having self-esteem."

• Accumulating moral failings can lead to a lack of self-respect and self-esteem.

"I think that you just have to be very careful about doing things that you were fundamentally not going to be proud of because they will damage you."

• Avoiding actions that compromise self-respect is crucial for long-term well-being.

• Working on personal values is a long-term investment that requires short-term sacrifices.
• Ethical behavior may not always be immediately profitable but offers long-term benefits.

"Working on your values is long-term selfish although short-term it's absolutely involved sacrifices."

• Developing strong personal values requires short-term sacrifices but leads to long-term benefits.

"If being ethical were profitable, everybody would do it. You wouldn't have to have a separate concept."

• Ethical behavior often involves sacrifices and is not always immediately profitable.

• True knowledge is built from the ground up and can be explained simply.
• The ability to explain complex concepts in simple terms is a mark of true understanding.

"Real knowledge is intrinsic and built on the ground up. The smartest people can explain things to a child."

• True understanding involves the ability to explain complex concepts simply.

"If you can't explain to a child, then you don't know it."

• The ability to simplify explanations is a sign of deep understanding.

• Clear decision-making requires seeing reality as it is, without ego or preconceived notions.
• Suffering can be a moment of truth that forces one to embrace reality.

"The number one thing that clouds us from being able to see reality is just that we have preconceived notions of the way it should be."

• Preconceived notions and desires can cloud one's perception of reality.

"When you're suffering, when you're in pain, that's a moment of truth where you're forced to embrace reality actually the way it is."

• Suffering can lead to a clearer understanding of reality.

• Successful founders are long-term thinkers who are deeply passionate about their work.
• Execution, passion, and deep understanding of the field are crucial for success.

"The best founders I've found are the ones who are very long-term thinkers."

• Long-term thinking is a key trait of successful founders.

"Vision without execution is a hallucination."

• Execution is essential to turn vision into reality.

• Rational Buddhism reconciles Buddhist practices with scientific understanding.
• It involves verifying beliefs through personal experience and rejecting unverifiable claims.

"The rational part means that I have to reconcile with science and evolution."

• Rational Buddhism integrates scientific principles with Buddhist practices.

"If I can't verify it on my own or if I cannot get there through science, then I just cannot view it as a fundamental truth."

• Rational Buddhism involves skepticism and personal verification of beliefs.

• Managing time effectively involves being cautious about future commitments.
• Implementing a "two-factor authentication" for commitments can help manage time better.

"Current me is always making promises for future me. Future me is this dynamic high-energy individual."

• Being cautious about future commitments can help manage time more effectively.

"If I commit to doing something, I should commit to doing it right now."

• Only committing to actions one is willing to do immediately can prevent overcommitment.

• Seeking happiness through external circumstances is a common and fundamental mistake.
• True happiness comes from within and is not dependent on external achievements.

"The belief that you're going to be made happy because of some external circumstance is a fundamental mistake."

• External circumstances do not lead to lasting happiness.

"The idea that you're gonna change something in the outside world that is going to bring you peace and everlasting joy is a fundamental delusion."

• Seeking happiness through external changes is a delusion.

• The meaning of life is personal and must be discovered individually.
• There is no intrinsic purpose to life; meaning is created by individuals.

"You have to find your own meaning. The important part is not the answer; it's the question."

• Finding personal meaning is more important than any given answer.

"There is no meaning to life. There's no purpose to life."

• Life inherently lacks a predefined purpose; individuals must create their own meaning.

"You have to create your own meaning. There's no fundamental intrinsic purposeful meaning to the universe."

• Meaning is a personal creation, not an intrinsic property of the universe.