In this special episode of "Acquired," hosts Ben Gilbert and David Rosenthal engage in a candid conversation with Patrick O'Shaughnessy, CEO of O'Shaughnessy Asset Management and host of the "Invest Like the Best" podcast. Patrick discusses his journey from philosophy major to running a quant fund and building a venture fund, alongside his successful podcast empire. Key themes include the importance of technology in asset management, the value of open research, and the evolution of O'Shaughnessy Asset Management, particularly through its innovative investment platform, Canvas. The episode also touches on the role of media in business, with Patrick's podcast serving as a prime example of leveraging content to build brand and trust. Additionally, Patrick shares insights from various guests featured on his podcast, highlighting the power of asking the right questions and continuously learning in public.
"Now, you'll notice this is a very abnormal episode for us. I didn't say a number. We didn't talk about a company in the intro."
The quote emphasizes the departure from the usual episode structure, highlighting the special nature of the episode featuring Patrick O'Shaughnessy.
"You were a philosophy major. Now you're running a quant fund. You have a venture fund. You've built this amazing podcast empire."
This quote summarizes Patrick's diverse professional journey from philosophy to finance and media.
"You'll get access to the LP show where we dive deeper into the fundamentals of company building and investing."
This quote explains the value proposition of the Acquired community for those interested in company building and investing.
"Pilot is the one team for all of your company's accounting, tax, and bookkeeping needs."
The quote highlights Pilot's role in providing essential accounting services to startups and growth companies, allowing them to focus on their core business.
"For the first several years, it was a research firm, not an asset management firm."
This quote clarifies the initial focus of the firm on research rather than asset management.
"They're our largest, our longest standing client. They actually are the only outside owner of our business."
The quote signifies the depth of the relationship between OSAM and RBC, emphasizing RBC's role as a significant client and part-owner.
"Is it fair to characterize it as like a data-driven approach to the old Ben Graham style? Graham and Dodd value investing."
The quote explores the relationship between traditional value investing and OSAM's quantitative approach.
"The original version of the research was literally the dogs of the Dow strategy."
This quote explains one of the initial simple quantitative strategies that OSAM's research focused on.
"We actually left in the year before the March 2008 blow-up of Bear Stearns in the summer of 2007."
This quote provides a timeline for OSAM's spinoff from Bear Stearns, highlighting the fortuitous timing before the financial crisis.
"I literally graduated two months earlier."
The quote places Patrick's graduation in close proximity to his start at OSAM, marking the beginning of his career in asset management.
"It's literally as simple as you take control over other people's assets."
This quote succinctly describes the fundamental operation of an asset management firm.
"un by a research team, a chief investment officer, in our case, a team of quantitative researchers building predictive models to buy stocks. That's the research function or product function. And then there's the distribution side of the house."
This quote explains the basic structure of an asset management firm, highlighting the key roles and functions within the business.
"The much more common is just a flat asset management fee that's based on assets. But you can contractually do anything you want."
This quote outlines the common practice of charging a flat asset management fee and indicates the flexibility in structuring fees.
"The primary driver is that a strategy like ours in public markets could accommodate billions tomorrow with no real marginal cost to us and without affecting the market price."
The quote explains why public asset managers can work with large capital inflows without significantly impacting the market, contrasting with the private markets.
"Like billions of dollars have come in and they have impacted the market hugely."
This quote highlights the effect that substantial investments can have on market dynamics, particularly in private markets.
"Absurdly not enough. If you're thinking about even the biggest hedge funds and the amount of work they would do to deploy, say, a billion dollars into a business, it is crazy."
This quote emphasizes the perceived insufficiency of due diligence conducted by some large investment funds when deploying capital.
"I think of us today as a software business that happens to monetize through asset management."
This quote signifies the shift in Osam's business strategy, highlighting the importance of software in their operations.
"Our client are the advisors."
This quote clarifies that Osam's primary clients are the advisors who use their software to serve the end investors.
"I don't have a great answer to this. I like one definition of a platform, which is that you're not using the same tools to compete against your clients."
This quote captures the ongoing strategic consideration about how to position a platform in relation to competitors and clients.
"I never marketed it. I never did anything but tweet out a link to it."
This quote indicates the organic growth strategy behind the podcast, emphasizing the lack of intentional marketing.
"I sort of think about it like having APIs at our fingertips."
This quote draws a parallel between the podcast's role in gathering insights and the way APIs provide access to functionality in software development.
"We're probably going to open source that database in some interesting way."
This quote suggests a commitment to sharing knowledge and resources with a wider audience, enhancing transparency and collaboration.
"I've built and been part of products that no one wanted to use, and I try to be very allergic to that."
This quote highlights the speaker's past experiences with undesirable products and his current approach to avoid repeating those mistakes. It underscores the importance of user engagement and product desirability in successful product development.
"What you're doing is you're curating it and packaging it in the best, most consumable form."
This quote captures the essence of the speaker's role in the digital information age: transforming abundant knowledge into digestible, high-quality content. It highlights the value of curation in a landscape saturated with information.
"I actually only do one thing and it just happens to show up in a lot of different outcomes or side effects."
This quote simplifies the speaker's multifaceted endeavors into a singular focus: the pursuit of knowledge and opportunities. It reflects a strategic approach to business where diverse activities are united by a common purpose.
"The number one most important job to be a great venture capitalist is learning to ask the right questions and then learning to listen to the answers."
This quote emphasizes the fundamental skill required in venture capital: inquiry and analysis. It underscores the importance of communication and understanding in identifying successful investments.
"What if I recorded those conversations and shared them in some way, shape or form and not be too obvious, maybe publish on a lag, and again, never do any harm."
This quote reveals the speaker's contemplation of leveraging private investment conversations for broader educational purposes. It reflects a strategic approach to content sharing that could provide value to listeners while maintaining discretion and integrity.
"I did literally sit down as I think probably everyone that reads seven powers does, and say, okay, which one of these can I do, which one do I already have? Or which one can I engineer?"
This quote illustrates the speaker's strategic application of the "Seven Powers" framework to evaluate and enhance his businesses' competitive positioning. It demonstrates a deliberate and analytical approach to building and maintaining market advantages.
"Don't be the Walter Cronkite solution that pleases the most people, the most average amount. Like that's a recipe for death on the Internet."
This quote emphasizes the importance of avoiding mediocrity and the need for a distinctive identity online.
"We had a call it four year head start on the podcast mania and planted our flags in our respective niches and said, this is the thing we're weird on the Internet about. Come join us."
The quote suggests that having an early presence in a niche market can lead to a sustainable advantage and organic audience growth.
"Do I personally already consume anything? Like what I'm contemplating putting out there? And when I started the podcast, the answer to that question was no, that it didn't exist, and it certainly didn't exist in the channel that I was going to do it in."
The quote highlights the creator's personal consumption as a litmus test for the potential success and uniqueness of their content.
"Chaitan Pootagunta taught me that in enterprise software, you want to take what he calls the go slow to go fast approach of picking very carefully your early customers and then patiently building for them well beyond what feels comfortable."
This quote captures the strategic advice of focusing on early customers and building a solid foundation before scaling, which is applicable to enterprise software development.
"I think there's just always room for improvement. I think we have a platform now that has an extremely bright future and has a very large potential future."
The quote reflects a balanced perspective on self-assessment, recognizing both achievements and the potential for future growth and improvement.
"Bill really held my hand through that whole process, coached me up in an extremely positive way. After every presentation, I probably gave 50 presentations to rooms of like 50 to 150 people. And every presentation he would let me suffer through the bad parts."
This quote illustrates the kindness of a mentor who supported the speaker through a difficult professional experience, allowing for growth and learning.
"I am a wholehearted supporter of this thing. It's so simple, right? Which is this little deeper dive into what you guys have built. That I think, at least from my perspective, is actually even more enjoyable than the main show."
The quote expresses strong support for the LP program, emphasizing its value and the speaker's personal enjoyment of the content.