In this episode of "20 minutes VC," host Harry Stebbings interviews Tom Tunguz, a partner at Redpoint Ventures and author of "Winning with Data." They discuss the transformative power of data in business, with Tunguz sharing his insights on how data-driven companies iterate faster and make more informed decisions. They explore the importance of structured interviews in hiring, the challenges of distinguishing correlation from causation in data analysis, and the necessity of emotions in decision-making. Tunguz also highlights Thredup as a prime example of a data-driven company and introduces Dremio, his latest investment focused on data middleware. The conversation underscores the evolving role of data in shaping company culture, strategy, and operational efficiency.
"And you can add me at h Stebings on Snapchat. And for the show this week we have a very special feature week as we feature one of the valley's leading vc funds, Redpoint. And joining me today from Redpoint, we have none other than Tom Tunguz, partner at Redpoint."
The quote introduces the episode's focus on Redpoint and its partner, Tom Tunguz, highlighting his expertise in SaaS and his new book.
"Cooley are the global law firm built around startups and venture capital. Since forming the first venture fund in Silicon Valley, Cooley has formed more venture capital funds than any other law firm in the world."
The quote explains Cooley's role and expertise in the venture capital space, indicating its importance to startups and VC operations.
"With just a little bit of data, the stuff that we were collecting about who was billing hours and the interactions between the attorneys and the clients, we knew a whole lot."
The quote exemplifies the early recognition Tunguz had of the power of data in identifying performance and making informed decisions.
"The biggest difference among them is that data-driven companies tend to iterate faster."
This quote emphasizes the competitive edge that data-driven companies have due to their ability to quickly adapt and improve.
"Yeah, there are three things they do. The first is they have a data team, and there's this data..."
The quote introduces the three key practices that successful data-driven companies implement to leverage data effectively.
"They're the experts. They know where the data is stored, they understand how to perform analysis, but their main function is really education."
This quote highlights the role of data teams as educators within a company, emphasizing their expertise in data storage and analysis.
"So the second common characteristic is there's a single person or team that creates this data dictionary that defines all the key metrics for the business once and for all."
The quote explains the importance of having a unified set of definitions for key metrics within a business to avoid miscommunication and inconsistencies.
"And the third thing is what we call in the book a data pipeline, which is a way of getting the data from the deep recesses of the business out to the front lines."
This quote introduces the data pipeline as a means of moving data within a company, which is essential for making data accessible to those who need it.
"There's this famous quote that said, it basically said, if we have data, let's go with the data, but if we have opinions, let's go with mine."
The quote underscores the prioritization of data over personal opinions in data-driven companies, highlighting the cultural value placed on evidence-based decision-making.
"I think the first thing is the leadership decides to start asking questions, and they ask open-ended questions."
This quote emphasizes the role of leadership in fostering a data-driven culture by encouraging curiosity and the pursuit of data-supported answers.
"But the important thing about not listening to your boss is really coming to your own conclusions, using data to support your conclusions, and then having a point of view."
The quote captures the essence of a data-driven approach where employees are encouraged to rely on data rather than solely on directives from superiors.
"Everybody asks the same set of questions. And those questions are based upon the characteristics that are going to define success in this role."
This quote explains the methodology behind structured interviews, where consistency in questioning aligns with the specific success factors of the role.
"And it's to what extent do we actually allow human emotion in to drive our decisions, too, pa[rtially cut off]"
This incomplete quote introduces a contemplation on the role of human emotion in the context of data-driven decision-making.
So there was this guy in Germany who was struck by lightning, and the part of his brain that created emotions was destroyed... He actually couldn't make a single decision. And what they realized is that we never have perfect information. And the way that we get from not making a decision to making a decision is we use our emotions.
This quote emphasizes that emotions are integral to decision-making because they help bridge the gap when information is incomplete.
And I think that's when you're not hiring exclusively based upon the metrics that are coming out of the interviews. There needs to be an advocate inside of the hiring committee, and people need to argue back and forth. And I think that's where the emotional component definitely comes in.
The quote suggests that hiring decisions should not solely rely on interview metrics but also on discussions and advocacy within the hiring committee, where emotions and interpersonal dynamics play a role.
Getting to the point of the question, the most important one, and I think that the skill that most often comes up in data analysis is correlation versus causation.
Tom Tunguz highlights the importance of distinguishing between correlation and causation, which is a fundamental skill in data analysis.
And then the second one is this notion of anchoring bias... Telling you that number and putting a number in your mind ahead of time, you are already thinking around that number, and that kind of biases you.
The quote explains the concept of anchoring bias, where initial information provided influences subsequent judgments and decisions.
Yeah, the availability bias is basically, this is founded by Daniel Kahneman. It's basically, if it's something that's easily remembered, then you perceive it to be more likely.
Tom Tunguz describes availability bias, where people overestimate the likelihood of events that are more memorable or easily recalled.
And so the illusion of validity in this case is that Kahneman and his assistant thought they could predict when in fact, they couldn't. Right? They had no idea.
This quote illustrates the illusion of validity, where individuals have an unfounded confidence in their predictive abilities.
Yeah, I think that what you do is you do what Google does or did when I was there, which is you create a hypothesis and you say, let's run a small scale experiment just to make sure that it's true. Basically what you want to do is you want to test your assumptions.
Tom Tunguz suggests that to avoid the illusion of validity, one should test assumptions with experiments, similar to practices at Google.
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"The biggest challenge was trying to figure out how do you go deep enough into a topic to be interesting to the reader, but not so deep that you're bored and you don't have instant feedback like a blog, and you can't correct it, so you just don't know."
This quote emphasizes the difficulty in finding the right balance in depth of content to maintain reader interest without the benefit of immediate feedback.
"I had 90 days to write it. You said? Yeah."
Tom confirms the tight timeframe he had to complete his book.
"Yeah, we wrote it from November 1 to February 1."
This quote specifies the exact period Tom spent writing the book.
"Nights and weekends. Yeah. My lovely wife watched our boys."
Tom acknowledges the personal time commitment and family support required in the book writing process.
"You know, there's this great software called Scrivener."
Tom mentions Scrivener as a key tool in his writing process.
"Hemingway is great, too."
Tom also acknowledges the usefulness of Hemingway in his writing process.
"My biggest takeaway is nobody knows how to do all this stuff right. And it's always changing."
Tom reflects on the continual learning and adaptation required in fields like data analysis and business intelligence.
"There's one story about in the second world war...So the planes that were coming back had holes in the fuselage. And so you don't need to armor the fuselage. You need to armor the wings or whatever it was."
Tom uses an anecdote from World War II to explain a fundamental lesson in statistics and its application to business intelligence.
"Everything at Thredup is measured."
Tom highlights Thredup's comprehensive use of data in its operations.
"The next great opportunity is helping the head of people with data."
Tom identifies human resources as the next frontier for data-driven decision-making within companies.
"They basically allow you to move data in really beautiful and seamless ways, and they allow people inside of companies to find the data they need access to."
Tom explains the value proposition of Dremio and why he chose to invest in it.
"I'm honored. Thank you so much, Harry."
Tom shows appreciation for the positive feedback on his book from Harry.
"And if you love the episode, then head over to the twentyminutevc.com where you can find the links to purchase the book."
Harry directs listeners to the podcast website for further engagement and to access the book.
"And do not forget what I said earlier. Funds would be nothing without operational support behind them."
Harry discusses the importance of operational support for venture capital funds, highlighting Cooley's services.
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Harry promotes Eve as a sponsor and emphasizes their customer trial and return policy.
"I'm also delighted to announce that we will have Ryan Sarver on the show."
Harry teases an upcoming episode, creating anticipation for future content.