In this episode of "20 Minutes VC," host Harry Stebbings interviews Dev Ittycheria, President and CEO at MongoDB, a leading next-generation database company. Dev shares his journey from an engineering background to sales, emphasizing the value of understanding customer problems and building a compelling sales organization. He discusses his transition from venture capital to MongoDB, highlighting the importance of product-market fit, a restrictive licensing model, and a strong go-to-market strategy. Dev also offers insights on leadership, advocating for vulnerability as a strength, and the necessity of embracing bad news to build trust with investors and teams. He advises new board members to be students, not masters, of the game, and underlines the significance of investors who do their homework and maintain conviction through tough times. Looking ahead, Dev envisions MongoDB capitalizing on a massive market opportunity, aiming to increase market share by simplifying data management for developers across various platforms.
"Now Dev is the president and CEO at MongoDB, recognized as the world's most popular next generation database and the first database company to go public in over 26 years."
This quote introduces Dev Ittycheria's current role and the significance of MongoDB in the tech industry.
"I being a good indian boy, I could do anything I wanted to do as long as it was either being an engineer or a doctor. So I went to engineering school."
This quote reflects the cultural expectations Dev faced and his initial career direction before finding his passion for the business side of technology.
"But that seemed, candidly at that time, normal. And what I realized, though, was that when we went public, just felt like the victory dance we had declared victory."
This quote captures the atmosphere of the dot-com bubble and the sobering realization that going public is not the end goal but the beginning of new challenges and expectations.
"I encourage ceos to share bad news quickly. So with my board, I share bad news very, very early, and it does a couple of things."
This quote emphasizes the importance of transparency with investors, which fosters trust and collaboration in addressing business challenges.
"And informality breeds more candor. And so the temperature in the room goes down, you have more authentic conversations."
This quote highlights the shift towards a more informal and candid leadership approach that has proven effective for Dev in creating a comfortable environment for honest dialogue.
"But bad news, bad news travels very slowly, especially up the organization. And it's far worse than what people are telling you."
This quote highlights the common issue in organizations where bad news is not communicated effectively to higher-ups, leading to a diluted and delayed understanding of issues.
"So you as a leader have to create a culture where bad news is shared very, very quickly, that people can be comfortable sharing bad news..."
Here, the speaker emphasizes the leader's responsibility to foster a culture that encourages the prompt sharing of bad news for swift action and problem-solving.
"One, as a leader, you have to embrace bad news. You have to thank people for giving you the information straight."
The speaker stresses the importance of leaders showing appreciation for honest communication, which is essential for creating a trustworthy environment.
"Jeff Bezos has spoken about this topic, and he describes two types of decisions."
This quote introduces the concept of two distinct decision-making types as described by Jeff Bezos, which informs how a leader should approach different situations.
"I'm not the most patient person. It served me well in many cases because one of my strengths is to create a sense of urgency..."
The speaker acknowledges their impatience and how it has both helped and hindered their leadership effectiveness, indicating a nuanced understanding of personal leadership style.
"One of the attributes I think it's really important for leaders who can scale is that they're students of the game and not the master of the game."
This quote emphasizes the importance of continuous learning and humility in leadership, especially for those leading scaling organizations.
"Well, I have some guiding principles. One of them is I believe strongly in product market fit."
The speaker discusses their guiding principles, highlighting the importance of product-market fit and the willingness to learn as key factors in their leadership approach.
"I think it starts with the customer. I think the customers typically today want to consume infrastructure as a service."
The speaker identifies customer demand for service-based infrastructure as a driving force behind the business model changes in open source companies.
"There was no prior art MongoDB. Two, we built a truly world class managed cloud service through Atlas."
This quote highlights MongoDB's originality in its codebase and its successful development of a managed cloud service, Atlas.
"And three, we believe that it was important to support the three major cloud providers, not just run on one particular cloud, but we support Amazon, Google and Azure."
MongoDB's strategic decision to support all three major cloud providers is emphasized, showcasing its wide availability and flexibility.
"The biggest mistake they make is they don't fully appreciate the asymmetry of data that they have between the internal candidate and the external candidate."
This quote explains the common error in hiring, where the familiarity with internal candidates is overlooked compared to the seemingly impressive external candidates.
"A big signal for me is the quality of the organization they're building."
Dev Ittycheria indicates that the strength of the teams built by leaders within the company is indicative of their capability to scale and lead effectively.
"I think it's very, very important to be honest and straight with people, and also not just give them the feedback, but commit to working with them."
Dev Ittycheria stresses the importance of transparency and commitment to developing employees for future leadership roles.
"What else do they bring to the table?"
This question encapsulates the broader considerations entrepreneurs must evaluate when choosing investors beyond the financial investment.
"The real test of an investor and a board member is what I call the value to overhead ratio."
Dev Ittycheria discusses the importance of assessing the practical benefits an investor brings in relation to the additional responsibilities they impose on the CEO.
"Again, I would be the student of the game and not the master."
Dev Ittycheria advises new board members to adopt a learning mindset and to focus on understanding how to be most helpful to the company.
"Yeah, actually, we have four different ways we go to market."
Dev Ittycheria outlines the multi-faceted go-to-market approach that MongoDB employs to cater to a broad market.
"And so we just realized that we had to build out these different go to market channels."
This quote emphasizes the strategic realization that MongoDB needed to diversify its sales channels to effectively reach different customer segments.
"And what's interesting now is that self serve channel is creating an amazing flywheel effect for our sales."
The quote highlights the positive impact of the self-service channel on sales, generating a momentum that feeds back into the sales process.
"Why Angie Guerrero's high upput management to me, that's a seminal book on management and he's the one who breaks down. There's only two reasons why people fail, a lack of skill or a lack of motivation."
This quote explains Ittycheria's perspective on the reasons behind failure and the influence of a particular management book on his approach.
"At the end of the day, 80% of my issues are all around people who's driving, who's going sideways and who's going backwards."
This quote reflects the CEO's focus on managing personnel and their performance as a critical aspect of scaling the company.
"I think that's changing fairly quickly."
The quote indicates a shift in venture capital attitudes towards East Coast tech companies, signaling a more inclusive investment landscape.
"Steve was really the grandfather of all that and his influence on me and what it takes to be a great CEO was something that I can never repay back."
This quote expresses gratitude for the mentorship received and its lasting impact on Ittycheria's leadership style.
"But I think there's still some systemic bias in the system about enabling women founders, enabling people of color to build great businesses."
The quote calls attention to the ongoing need to address biases within the tech and venture ecosystem to foster a more diverse and inclusive environment.
"You have to really lead by influence because they're not going to really resonate with you telling them what to do."
This quote draws a parallel between parenting and leadership, emphasizing influence over direct instruction.
"The market is estimated to be about 100 billion by 2023, and we have little over half a percent share."
This quote outlines MongoDB's ambitious growth targets and the size of the opportunity in the market.
"Thank you, Harry. It's great to be here."
The quote signifies Ittycheria's appreciation for participating in the podcast and contributing to the discussion.
"I think that was one of my favorite CEO shows that we've done before."
Harry Stebbings's quote captures his favorable impression of the interview, highlighting the significance of the insights shared by Ittycheria.