In a dynamic episode of 20 VC with host Harry Stebbings, Kyle Samani, co-founder of Multicoin Capital, and Nick Tomaino, founder of 1confirmation, delve into the intricate relationship between politics and the cryptocurrency industry. They discuss the influence of crony capitalism and political donations on regulatory actions, highlighting the case of Sam Bankman-Fried's significant contributions to Joe Biden and subsequent SEC scrutiny of companies like Coinbase and Kraken. The conversation also explores the potential impact of presidential candidates on crypto, with a focus on Trump's shifting stance and the importance of reducing the power of the administrative state for the industry's growth. They debate the authenticity and market strategies of crypto firms, the future of NFTs, and the role of on-chain messaging. Kyle and Nick share insights on the lessons learned from the FTX collapse, driven by a 'vibe check' and the dangers of counter signals. They end with predictions for crypto's evolution, emphasizing the need for new use cases beyond speculation and the potential of stablecoin payment rails to revolutionize financial transactions globally.
"Crony capitalism is real, right? I don't think the public recognizes how insane it is. The second largest donor to Joe Biden was Sam Bankman Freed."
"If you think about Trump, we know he loves attention. He's going to be leaning into crypto in a big way in 24 24."
"There's five candidates right now that would be good for crypto Trump, DeSantis, Vivek in the Republican Party. There's Dean Phillips in the Democratic Party, and there's RFK as an independent."
"My assumption is he will be in jail before the election."
"Welcome back to 20 VC with me, Harry Stebbings. Now, this show was spot by a Twitter debate between two of the crypto OG investors..."
"So crypto OG number one is Kyle Somani, cofounder and managing partner at Multicoin Capital... Next up, we have Nick Tamino, founder and general partner at one confirmation..."
"The speculation can be channeled productively... Deepen is really the kind of torchbearer... where you can keep the collective hive mind of people doing stuff in the real world and funding that collectively and produce real economic output that's tangible and measurable."
"Speculation is a very good thing for the world, and it's actually really empowering a lot of people that have been held back by kind of the existing power structures."
"Excessive speculation can clearly be bad, right? And we've seen a lot of bad things happen in the past ten years by excessive speculation."
"Shilling is human nature. Shilling is not new to crypto. Whatever tribe humans are in, they shill for that."
"I think excessive shilling is bad, and especially in bull markets, when everyone is looking at the space."
"Solana is just a cheaper, faster Ethereum, at least so far, and that's how it's been marketed."
"Cosmos has a very unique kind of social vision, which is sovereign chains... Solana, especially relative to Ethereum and Cosmos. Solana is not really anything new from a social perspective and is not really enabling anything new."
"Ethereum is very focused on public goods funding, very focused on kind of general welfare. And Solana is like very directly capitalist in kind of the more traditional sense of the word."
This quote highlights the fundamental differences in ethos between Ethereum and Solana, with Ethereum's community-oriented approach versus Solana's capitalist-driven development.
"You can say that that makes the system more centralized, that I kind of take a little bit of issue with, just because the central does more stuff."
This quote explains that the activity of Solana's central foundation doesn't automatically equate to a more centralized ecosystem, emphasizing the importance of community participation.
"I fucking love it. It's great. It energizes me."
Kyle's enthusiasm for criticism demonstrates his passion for engaging with the community and driving the crypto conversation forward.
"I believe if you are a finance purist, you understand that you need to have essential order books. That is absolutely paramount."
This quote stresses the importance of Solana's focus on financial infrastructure, specifically the need for a decentralized Nasdaq-equivalent to improve capital market efficiency.
"Helium provides a service you can get your cell phone through. Those are economically useful services."
This quote differentiates between Bitcoin's role as a financial asset and Deepen networks like Helium that provide tangible services to consumers.
"We'd rather give money to a founder that doesn't maybe look good on paper, doesn't have credentials, but has been studying crypto deeply since 2013 when they brought their first bitcoin or something like that."
This quote reflects a preference for supporting founders with genuine and deep understanding of crypto over those with traditional tech credentials or transient interest.
"I'm like a crypto maximalist. I want crypto to be everywhere. I think it's very important for sovereignty and freedom."
Kyle identifies as a crypto maximalist, indicating his desire for widespread crypto adoption and its implications for personal sovereignty and freedom.
"Authenticity absolutely matters."
This quote emphasizes the fundamental importance of authenticity in the crypto industry and beyond, suggesting that genuine projects and companies are likely to be more successful in the long run.
"I believe in the long term, and you have to take a long term perspective that actually it does matter a lot."
Nick Tomaino expresses his belief that despite short-term challenges, authenticity ultimately leads to greater rewards, reinforcing the idea that staying true to oneself is beneficial in the long run.
"To me, being authentic means like, being true to yourself and sticking to what's unique about you and not being too concerned with what other people think."
Nick Tomaino defines authenticity as staying true to one's unique qualities and values, rather than being swayed by the opinions of others or the pursuit of attention.
"Sam and FTX. And the whole thing just from the very beginning, felt very inauthentic."
Nick Tomaino describes his initial impression of Sam Bankman-Fried and FTX as inauthentic, which raised suspicions about the legitimacy of their operations.
"The most common term that's used politically is like virtue signaling, right? Which I think is an example of a. You know, the person that signals that they're virtuous, that they give away a lot of money or something. They're focusing on perception when the reality is probably different than what perception is."
Nick Tomaino discusses the concept of "virtue signaling" and how it can be a form of countersignaling, where the projected image may not align with reality, which was relevant to the perception of Sam Bankman-Fried.
"You can market well and be authentic."
Kyle Samani notes that marketing, even when loud and aggressive, does not necessarily mean a company is inauthentic, suggesting that genuine companies can still engage in strong marketing initiatives.
"The FTX Super Bowl ad felt very inauthentic to me."
Nick Tomaino contrasts Coinbase's authentic marketing approach with FTX's celebrity-laden Super Bowl ad, which he perceived as inauthentic and overly concerned with attracting attention.
"Crony capitalism is real, right?"
Nick Tomaino criticizes the current regulatory environment, suggesting that political connections and donations have had undue influence on regulatory actions, particularly regarding the SEC's treatment of Coinbase and Kraken.
"The SEC is going after Coinbase saying that it's an unregistered securities exchange, and then Coinbase is actually suing SEC saying that it didn't do its duty, basically, in creating clear laws around crypto."
Nick Tomaino outlines the legal battle between Coinbase and the SEC, highlighting the lack of regulatory clarity in the crypto space and the challenges this presents for companies trying to comply with the law.
"If a Republican is elected, safe to assume that the new chair of the SEC that the president will appoint is much more likely to be closer to chair Clayton in ethos than chair Gensler."
This quote emphasizes the potential shift in regulatory philosophy depending on the outcome of the election, suggesting a more laissez-faire approach under a Republican chair similar to Clayton.
"Even in a scenario where there's like an antagonistic administration to crypto, crypto is still going to move forward."
Despite the regulatory environment, this quote suggests that the crypto industry's innovation and progress are somewhat resilient to political changes.
"All five of those... recognize a problem in the country is this unelected class of bureaucrats that are acting in their own self interest and one way or another talked about reducing the power of the administrative state."
The quote identifies a commonality among the candidates, which is the aim to diminish the influence of unelected bureaucrats, which indirectly affects the crypto industry.
"He tweeted in 2018 cryptocurrencies are bad... I personally think he's going to be leaning into crypto in a big way in 2024."
This quote highlights the uncertainty surrounding Trump's stance on crypto and predicts a potential pivot due to his character traits and recent activities.
"Rumors are suggesting that circle will ipo in 2024."
This quote indicates circulating rumors about Circle's IPO, reflecting the market's anticipation for crypto companies going public.
"I think NFTs are going to come back in a big way... I think still NFTs have a good chance to be bigger than cryptocurrencies in terms of mainstream adoption."
This quote expresses a strong belief in the potential growth and impact of NFTs, especially due to their cultural relevance.
"There's a lot of assets in the top ten that most people who are sophisticated retail market participants view as garbage."
This quote reflects the skepticism within the crypto community regarding the value and substance of certain popular crypto assets.
"I think it is true that there is kind of a ruling class in the US and around the world that has the power and crypto... is still not fully appreciated how empowering crypto is to people."
This quote underscores the concern that the traditional power structures may resist the democratizing force of crypto.
"Payments. Stablecoin payment rails... enable billions of people to acquire dollars and use dollars."
The excitement for stablecoin payment rails is highlighted, emphasizing their potential to democratize access to the U.S. dollar globally.
"I didn't really get it until this year when I used a messaging product within Coinbase wallet."
This quote reveals how personal experience with new crypto applications can change previously held beliefs about their potential.
"Until your thesis is invalidated, keep holding on and keep trying to make more bets in that thesis."
The quote conveys the lesson of staying committed to an investment thesis in the volatile crypto market until there is a clear reason to abandon it.
"We need to get beyond just a shitcoin casino, which is, I think, how a lot of the outside world still perceives crypto."
This quote calls for the development of practical applications for crypto beyond mere speculation to change public perception.
"I want everyone in the world to have a private key built into their phone that is secure and that they can use for arbitrary financial movements."
The quote envisions a future where secure financial transactions are universally accessible through personal devices, highlighting the goal of financial empowerment.