In this episode of "20 Minutes VC," host Harry Stebbings interviews John Borthwick, CEO of Betaworks, a New York-based startup platform known for building products like Giphy and Dots, as well as investing in companies such as Tumblr and Medium. Borthwick discusses his journey from selling his first company to AOL and becoming SVP at Time Warner Inc., to founding Betaworks with the aim of creating a startup platform capable of building, investing in, and accelerating multiple companies around a specific thesis. He shares insights on the changing VC model, emphasizing the reduction in company creation costs and the need for VC to adapt to support early-stage companies. Borthwick also touches on the future of technology, including AI and mixed reality, and the importance of long-term capital investment. The conversation concludes with Borthwick's vision for Betaworks and its role in fostering innovation at the intersection of media and technology.
"Hello and welcome back to another week in the wonderful world of venture capital with the 20 minutes VC and your host Harry Stebbings at h stepbings with two b's on Snapchat, and found writing a lot more these days on Mojitovc.com."
This quote is Harry introducing himself and his podcast, as well as inviting listener engagement through his social media and blog.
"Today's guest has been an individual I've immensely respected and admired for many years, and so I'm very honored to be joined today by John Borthwick, a founder and CEO CEO at Betaworks."
Harry expresses his respect and admiration for John Borthwick, setting the stage for the interview.
"They have a studio where they've built products including Giphy, Dots, bit Ly, and more. They have a fund with prior investments including Tumblr, Medium, and Kickstarter."
Harry outlines the three main functions of Betaworks: building products, investing in startups, and running an accelerator program.
"Prior to Betaworks, John was an SVP at Time Warner Inc. Following John's previous company, WP Studio, being acquired by AOL Time Warner."
Harry provides background information on John's career prior to founding Betaworks.
"So I view Betaworks as a startup platform...abstractly thinking about betaworks as a startup platform where we build and we invest and we also have now an accelerator program here."
John explains his conceptualization of Betaworks as a startup platform that engages in various aspects of company development.
"I think that time water is a company. It's in essence a holding company... I learned a ton about the media business, media distribution, media creation, media marketing."
John shares his insights from his role at Time Warner and how it operates as a holding company with a focus on media.
"The three business lines that we have at betaworks, we build things, we invest and we accelerate...I've always struggled a little bit personally with the VC model."
John discusses the business lines of Betaworks and his personal skepticism towards the traditional VC model.
"But let me start out by saying is it's an incredibly effective tool at doing a few things, maybe one thing incredibly well."
John acknowledges that while he is skeptical, the VC model is very effective at certain aspects of startup funding and development.
"So what there was is that ten years ago is there was pretty much a linear relationship between these two things. As you moved through the progressive stages of company creation, you just needed more capital. And it was fairly linear."
The quote explains that previously, as a company progressed through its development stages, the need for capital increased consistently.
"But then when you hit scale, when you hit massive scale, you need capital, and you need capital for growth, marketing, for distribution."
Here, the speaker highlights that once a company reaches a certain size, the demand for capital spikes, particularly for growth-related activities.
"But what does VC do? Well, VC does that piece incredibly well. It's a very good instrument at investing at that stage."
This quote emphasizes that venture capital is particularly adept at funding companies that are scaling up and require substantial capital for growth.
"Would you agree with Charlie O'Donnell from Brooklyn Bridge, who said to me the other day that actually a lot of investors are much later stage than they think, and they just have these small pools of capital at the seed stage and it's really just an optionality play for the later stage where they follow in with reserve funds."
The speaker is acknowledging the trend of investors positioning themselves in early stages when they are actually more focused on later stages, using early investments as a strategic option.
"So somehow the vcs need to be able to touch that. And then once they actually hit the ground and start running, when these things actually get working, then the vcs have to scramble to get in there and the companies can reach remarkable scale remarkably quickly."
The quote discusses the necessity for VCs to connect with early-stage companies before they rapidly scale, which requires quick action from VCs to secure investment opportunities.
"I mean, I think that the way that I think about betaworks as a startup platform is that having a flexible source of capital to do later stage investing is sort of an important piece of that puzzle."
This quote indicates that Betaworks sees value in having a flexible capital source to invest in later stages, which is part of their strategic approach as a startup platform.
"They also have a VC fund."
The speaker notes that many startup platforms have expanded to include VC funds as part of their business model.
"I mean, I think that interesting, if you roll the clock back at the early VC funds, is that they were actually llcs that invested off a balance sheet, and then they reached some inherent sort of glass ceilings or knocked up against some."
The speaker is explaining that the original structure of VC funds as LLCs had limitations, leading to the adoption of the limited partnership model.
"I think that the inherent challenges with balance sheet capital, I would say the first thing is that once you have a set of assets, how do you value them and how do you raise ongoing money into that entity?"
This quote addresses the difficulties in valuing assets and raising additional funds when operating with balance sheet capital.
"I think that it went maybe a little bit too far, because that's the standard way of valuing these portfolios."
The speaker is commenting on the criticism of VC portfolio valuations, suggesting that while the process is not perfect, it follows industry standards.
"I went to the VCs and I said, okay, as CEO, it was my responsibility to say, we have an offer. I went to them and we had an offer for this particular company, and they said, no way, no how, are we selling? We're in this for the long haul."
This quote illustrates the initial stance of VCs prioritizing long-term investment over immediate offers for acquisition.
"The acquirer came back and upped it by 5%. They said, sell now."
This quote shows the point at which VCs' resolve breaks in favor of a financial incentive, revealing the balance between conviction and the business model.
"Do you think then fund cycles are too short with the current ten to twelve years, should they be longer?"
This is a question about the adequacy of the duration of VC fund cycles in relation to technology's impact on society.
"I think that they have to be longer."
This quote conveys agreement with the idea that fund cycles should be extended to match the longer-term technological transformation.
"We've had this credible five to eight years of app development and of businesses that have developed these incredible services, franchises, offerings on mobile."
This quote highlights the rapid growth and success of mobile app development and business models in recent years.
"It is going to take five to ten years for us to figure out how to talk to machines and that components of that relate to NLP, NLU, AI, chatbots, verbal computing, Alexa, and things like that."
This quote indicates that the development and integration of advanced technologies like AI and chatbots into mainstream use will be a prolonged process.
"I think it's all of the above and a few more."
This quote suggests that multiple factors contribute to the mainstream adoption of new technologies.
"I would say that the single biggest step forward for mixed reality in 2016 was Pokemon go and was Snapchat's face tracking."
This quote highlights specific examples of how unexpected applications can drive technological adoption.
"I think it's driving efficiency in the market, and I think that once capital really starts flowing in, then it becomes incredibly useful for the winners, but it becomes a real distraction also for a lot of people."
This quote discusses the impact of market efficiency on the tech industry, particularly for successful companies.
"I think Adam Smith would have taken a few steps back and maybe written a few other chapters, because I think that the market, the whole essence of the economy, is being transformed."
This quote suggests that the evolution of technology and networks has fundamentally changed the economy in ways that Adam Smith's theory did not anticipate.
"That sounds good. I'm hesitating only because I did this once with somebody, with Howard Linsen, and he said, I'm going to give you five names of people who know either hedge fund managers or porn stars, and you have to tell me which one are they?"
This quote sets up the context for the quick-fire round, with Speaker B recalling a previous, somewhat uncomfortable experience.
"So my favorite book right now is King Lear, and that sounds God."
This quote reveals Speaker B's current favorite book and suggests a deeper personal exploration, possibly related to understanding human intelligence and genius.
"So these are works of remarkable genius. I'm just like, in complete awe."
This quote highlights Borthwick's reverence for Shakespeare's literary genius and the profound impact the works have on him as an adult.
"And leah in particular, which I just went into, I have to admit, I went into it like, oh, my God, really? Am I going to do this? It was July, and I was like, oh, God, really? And I was just blown away."
Borthwick conveys his initial hesitation to read "King Lear" during the summer but ends up being deeply impressed by the play.
"What many don't know is I studied King Lear about 18 months ago when I was still at school. So it was a fond."
Stebbings shares his past experience with studying "King Lear" and his fond memories of the play.
"Yeah, I just remember bird imagery. There's lots of connotations to birds in a cage."
He specifically recalls the bird imagery used in "King Lear," which suggests themes of entrapment and control.
"His understanding of human psychology and of madness, and seeing somebody essentially go mad, it's incredible."
Borthwick praises Shakespeare's ability to portray the descent into madness in "King Lear."
"Gift, and now we have Elon Musk. So the world is fine."
Stebbings makes a light-hearted comment about the presence of genius in the modern world, implying that innovative figures like Elon Musk continue to contribute to society's advancement.
"My family, my wife, my kids are. They're all people that I learn from every day."
Borthwick acknowledges his family as a source of daily learning and mentorship.
"I don't know him personally, but I would say that one person who I've been truly inspired by in 2016 is Jeff Bezos."
He expresses admiration for Jeff Bezos, highlighting his achievements and influence as a source of inspiration.
"I don't see it as a consumer downturn."
Borthwick challenges the idea that there is a downturn in consumer markets, instead seeing growth in consumer adoption.
"Distribution and product. I think in the last five to eight years, because of many of the reasons we discussed earlier, is distribution has been available through the App Store, and so a lot of power has moved to product."
He explains the shift in power dynamics from distribution to product due to the availability of platforms like the App Store.
"So that's the essence of what I'm building here."
Borthwick outlines the core mission of Betaworks as a platform for fostering entrepreneurship and innovation.
"I think that the Barcam program went incredibly well, and we got a lot of interest at the top of the funnel."
He reflects on the success of the Botcamp accelerator program and the high level of interest it generated.
"So I wanted to, since we were doing a thematic accelerator program, I said to the team, a key KPI we had is that within six months of the close of the program and graduation, which was in September, within six months of that, we want 50% of them funded."
Borthwick discusses the ambitious goal he set for the Botcamp accelerator program to have a high percentage of its graduates funded within six months.
"I've had so much fun chatting with you and I can't thank you enough."
Stebbings thanks Borthwick for the engaging discussion and the insights shared during the podcast.
"And if you love the show today, then you can follow me on Snapchat at htebings with two b's. You can follow John on Twitter at borswick, or you can check us out on the new blog mojitovc.com."
Stebbings provides information on how listeners can stay connected with him and Borthwick, as well as access additional content.