In this intense and wide-ranging conversation, Andrew Wilson, host of The Crucible, discusses his deep disdain for progressive ideologies, emphasizing their role in fostering a "fascist state" through policies like lockdowns and mandatory vaccinations. He critiques the lack of genuine debate and accountability among Christians and progressives, arguing for a Christian-led governance to maintain societal order. Wilson reflects on his tumultuous personal journey, including his shift back to Christian values influenced by his wife and the tragic loss of his son. He also explores complex societal issues such as immigration, power dynamics, and the challenges of engaging with ideological opponents.
Rage and Distrust in the Industry
- The speaker expresses a profound sense of rage and distrust towards others in the industry, especially towards those who are hypocritical.
- There is a belief that to change worldviews, one must first dismantle the existing ones, which involves a confrontational approach.
- The speaker's anger is particularly directed at leftists and progressives, whom they blame for societal issues like lockdowns and the imposition of state controls.
"Your eyes have a look and there's rage behind it. You have rage and a look that you trust nobody."
- This quote highlights the speaker's deep-seated anger and the pervasive sense of distrust they feel in the industry.
"I hate the left. I hate leftists with every fiber of my being."
- This statement underscores the speaker's intense animosity towards leftists, whom they perceive as the root of many societal problems.
Progressive Ideology vs. Other Threats
- The discussion contrasts the perceived dangers of progressive ideology with other societal threats, such as non-assimilating Muslim immigrants.
- There is a belief that progressives are being used by other groups to further agendas that may not align with western values.
"What is more dangerous to America? Progressive ideology or Muslims that are coming to you who are not willing to assimilate?"
- This question raises the issue of competing threats to American values, focusing on the potential dangers of both progressive ideology and non-assimilating immigrants.
Personal Journey into the Public Sphere
- The speaker's entry into public debates and YouTube was accidental, stemming from arguments during the COVID-19 lockdowns.
- Initially working as a robotics mechanic, the speaker transitioned into the public space due to a lack of satisfaction with the prevailing discourse.
"I had no intention at all. If you would have asked me 5 years ago if I would be an entertainer who has one of the most super chatted channels in the United States, I would have laughed at you."
- This quote illustrates the unexpected nature of the speaker's career shift from a technical field to a public figure.
Early Life and Influences
- The speaker describes a somewhat transient upbringing, moving frequently and not fitting into traditional educational settings.
- A strong influence from the speaker's father, who taught him critical thinking and skepticism about commonly accepted ideas.
"He taught me something much more important than all that, which was how to think."
- This quote emphasizes the foundational role the speaker's father played in developing his critical thinking skills.
Logic and Presuppositions
- The speaker values logic and the elimination of presuppositions as a means of arriving at justified beliefs.
- There is a critique of leftists for lacking the ability to provide epistemic justifications for their beliefs.
"By eliminating presupposition and using logic. Logic has laws, governing laws."
- This highlights the speaker's emphasis on logic as a tool for discerning truth and challenging unexamined beliefs.
Personal Struggles and Redemption
- The speaker recounts a period of rebellion and delinquency in his early 20s, marked by a departure from Christian values.
- Redemption came through the influence of his wife, who saw potential in him and helped him return to his faith.
"I was promiscuous. I moved away from uh from God. I moved away from the teachings of Jesus Christ."
- This quote reveals the speaker's acknowledgment of past mistakes and the journey back to his values.
Tragedy and Resilience
- The speaker shares the tragic loss of a son in a car accident, an event that profoundly impacted his family.
- Despite the tragedy, the speaker describes the resilience required to navigate the aftermath and support his wife.
"It was the most kind of like heart-wrenching, awful, horrific experience that you can imagine."
- This quote captures the depth of the speaker's grief and the enduring impact of the loss on his family.
Trust and Relationships
- Trust is a recurring theme, both in personal relationships and within the broader industry.
- The speaker advises caution in relationships, especially when there are complex backgrounds involved.
"In this industry, you can't trust anybody."
- This statement reflects the speaker's wariness and the need for vigilance in professional and personal interactions.
Criticism of "Sewing Circle Christians"
- The conversation criticizes certain Christians, referred to as "sewing circle Christians," for their perceived hypocrisy and tendency to virtue signal rather than engage in meaningful debates or actions.
- These Christians are accused of criticizing others, like Crowder, from a position of jealousy and envy, without engaging in the ideological battles themselves.
- The discussion highlights a perceived lack of engagement from these Christians in defending their beliefs or confronting opposing ideologies.
"All these holier than thou sewing circle Christians are like, 'How could you endorse an abuser?'... I'm thinking, 'Shut up, you lying snake.'"
- The quote reflects frustration with perceived hypocrisy among certain Christians who criticize others without acknowledging their own flaws.
"I've never seen any of you... Where the hell are you? Well, you're siding with our enemies because I'm too mean or Crowder's too mean."
- This quote emphasizes the perceived absence of these Christians in ideological battles, accusing them of siding with perceived enemies due to tone or approach.
Engagement with Ideological Opponents
- The speaker expresses respect for leftists who engage in ideological debates, contrasting them with Christians who avoid confrontation.
- The importance of engaging in debates and defending one's worldview is emphasized as crucial for ideological battles.
- There is criticism of those who criticize without engaging, highlighting the need for active participation rather than passive criticism.
"In many ways, I respect leftists who will engage on their ideology... much more than I respect my own side."
- The quote underscores respect for those who actively engage in ideological debates, regardless of their political alignment.
"If you're not willing to do it, shut your mouth and don't criticize then."
- This quote highlights the expectation for those who criticize to also be willing to engage in the debates they critique.
Criticism of Progressive Ideology
- Progressives are criticized for their perceived hypocrisy and authoritarian tendencies, particularly during the COVID-19 pandemic.
- The discussion accuses progressives of labeling opponents as fascists while implementing policies that resemble fascism.
- There is a strong emphasis on the need for Christians to maintain political power to counter progressive ideologies.
"Progressives have been for the last 10 years... calling everybody who disagrees with any of their crazy ass values fascists."
- The quote criticizes progressives for labeling dissenters as fascists while implementing authoritarian policies themselves.
"Christians, if they are not in power, if they're not ruling, they're going to be ruled."
- This quote emphasizes the need for Christians to maintain political power to avoid being dominated by opposing ideologies.
The Role of Christianity in Governance
- The conversation advocates for governance based on Christian ethics, arguing that Christians should strive to maintain political power.
- There is a critique of the apologetics branch of Christianity for failing to support the political arm in addressing social issues.
- The discussion highlights the importance of Christian ethics in governance and the need for Christians to engage in political battles.
"You absolutely should be able to govern using Christian ethics. That's the only way you should govern."
- The quote argues for governance based on Christian ethics, emphasizing its importance in political leadership.
"I just wish the apologetics arm would get their [__] together and understand... they need the political arm for."
- This quote criticizes the apologetics branch for not supporting the political arm in addressing social issues.
Criticism of Muslim Immigration and Influence
- The discussion highlights concerns about Muslim immigration and the perceived long-term goals of Muslims in Western countries.
- Muslims are described as using progressives as "useful idiots" to advance their immigration goals while maintaining conservative values locally.
- The conversation emphasizes the perceived threat of Muslim influence and the need for awareness of their long-term objectives.
"Muslims also hate progressives, but progressives are useful idiots."
- The quote describes Muslims as strategically using progressives to advance their immigration goals.
"It's to infiltrate, populate, dominate, and never assimilate."
- This quote summarizes the perceived long-term strategy of Muslims in Western countries.
Debate on Islam vs. Christianity
- The conversation discusses a debate on whether Islam or Christianity creates better societies, with a focus on inbreeding and IQ.
- The argument emphasizes the negative impact of inbreeding in Muslim societies and the benefits of Christian ethics in creating better societies.
- The discussion highlights the importance of ethics and IQ in societal development and the perceived superiority of Christian societies.
"Inbreeding has been occurring at a high rate for about 1,400 years... and has created some of the dumbest human beings on planet Earth."
- The quote criticizes the impact of inbreeding in Muslim societies on IQ and societal development.
"They're constantly appealing to societies 10 times more sophisticated than their own... banking on our benevolence."
- This quote emphasizes the reliance of Muslim societies on the benevolence of more advanced Christian societies.
Criticism of Leftist Censorship and Reaction
- The conversation critiques leftist censorship and the deplatforming of conservative voices, arguing it led to the creation of alternative platforms.
- There is a discussion on the consequences of leftist actions, leading to a backlash and the rise of alternative media.
- The conversation highlights the self-defeating nature of leftist censorship and its role in empowering opposing voices.
"They deplatformed the guy. They said, 'Make your own technology, smart guy.' So he did."
- The quote describes the unintended consequences of leftist censorship, leading to the creation of alternative platforms.
"These stupid leftists did it. They did it all to themselves."
- This quote criticizes leftists for their actions leading to a backlash and the empowerment of opposing voices.
- The conversation discusses the creation of figures like Andrew Tate as a reaction to feminism and the push to feminize men.
- There is an emphasis on the role of societal pressures in creating demand for alpha male figures who challenge feminist narratives.
- The discussion highlights the unintended consequences of feminist movements in creating figures who oppose their values.
"Where do you think Andrew Tate came from? They created him."
- The quote attributes the rise of figures like Andrew Tate to the societal pressures created by feminist movements.
"They pushed men so much to try to make them feminine that guys are like is there anybody out there that is an alpha."
- This quote describes the societal demand for alpha male figures as a reaction to feminist pressures.
Communism and Ideology
- The discussion opens with a critique of communism, suggesting it is fundamentally opposed to the teachings of Jesus Christ.
- There is a mention of the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf, indicating a need to understand both ideological perspectives.
- The conversation touches on societal issues in the UK, particularly involving the Pakistani community and crime.
"Move God out of schools. Move God away from everybody. Right. I do think that it the the ideology of communism is very much antithetical to the teachings of Jesus Christ."
- This quote highlights the perceived conflict between communism and Christian teachings, suggesting a moral and ideological opposition.
Crime and Governance in London
- The rise in crime rates in London under Mayor Sadiq Khan is discussed, including statistics on knife crime, violence, robbery, and theft.
- There is criticism of political leaders' inability to address these issues effectively.
"Since you became mayor in 2016, knife crime has gone up by 27%. Violence against a person has increased by 26%. Robbery has increased by 57%."
- This quote provides specific statistics to underscore the increase in crime during Sadiq Khan's tenure, highlighting governance challenges.
Immigration and Cultural Integration
- The conversation critiques mass immigration policies in Western Europe and the UK, suggesting they are imposed against the public's will.
- There is a discussion on the cultural clash and the concept of "suicidal empathy" as a form of virtue signaling.
"The mass importation of people who have value structures which are different than these domestic populations and they're going to cover it up by any means necessary."
- This quote discusses the perceived cultural and societal challenges posed by large-scale immigration and the political handling of these issues.
Feminism and Gender Roles
- The podcast discusses modern feminism, particularly the contradiction between seeking equality while maintaining traditional gender privileges.
- The conversation includes a satirical take on feminist expectations in relationships.
"You can't have equality and equity but then also demand privilege in society at the same time."
- This quote critiques the perceived inconsistency in feminist arguments that seek both equality and traditional gender privileges.
Debate and Discourse
- The podcast features discussions on debating techniques and the challenges of engaging with various ideological opponents.
- There is mention of specific individuals and debates, highlighting the complexity and personal nature of public discourse.
"Over the years, you know what I mean? And over over that course, you're going to lose your cool from time to time."
- This quote acknowledges the emotional challenges and dynamics involved in public debates and discourse.
Personal Attacks and Debate Ethics
- The discussion addresses the use of personal attacks in debates, especially targeting family members as a tactic to provoke a response.
- There is a reflection on maintaining composure and the ethical considerations of debate.
"It's very trendy for people to attack my wife, for instance. They know that the one of the pathways to attack somebody who has a family is what it's through the family."
- This quote highlights the unethical strategy of using personal attacks in debates to unsettle opponents.
- The podcast critiques media portrayal and the framing of debates, particularly in terms of cultural and societal issues.
- There is a discussion on the role of media in shaping public perception and discourse.
"We've heard it all, right? Grab them by the [__] didn't work. That whole campaign didn't work."
- This quote reflects on how media campaigns and narratives can fail to influence public opinion as intended.
Personal Reflection and Public Image
- The conversation touches on the personal experiences of public figures in debates and the impact on their public image.
- There is an exploration of the balance between personal beliefs and public persona.
"I don't even like giving people advice."
- This quote reveals a reluctance to impose personal beliefs on others, emphasizing the complexity of public discourse and personal integrity.
Nuanced Perspectives on Relationships
- Discusses the importance of understanding the nuances in relationships and the conditions that lead to certain life choices.
- Emphasizes that criticism should be directed at the reasons behind actions, not the actions themselves.
"There may be times where I attack a single mother for the conditional of being a single mother depending on why."
- Highlights the importance of context when evaluating someone's decisions.
First Date Dynamics
- Explores the dynamics of first dates and the roles individuals choose to play.
- Discusses the idea of letting one partner take the lead to understand their world better.
"My initial first date would be up to the man. I would not want to be the one planning that."
- Suggests that understanding a partner's world can lead to a deeper connection.
Skepticism Toward Perceived Roles
- Discusses the caution needed when individuals present themselves in certain ways, particularly in relationships.
- Highlights the potential for people to adopt personas to appeal to others.
"There are chameleons and femons and things like this who will adopt this worldview and pretend that it's their worldview when it's really not."
- Warns about the superficial adoption of roles to attract what is perceived as a "high value" partner.
The Role of Decision-Making in Relationships
- Discusses the reality of impasses in relationships and the necessity for one partner to be the ultimate decider.
- Explores the traditional versus egalitarian views on decision-making.
"And the other person is going to have to go along with it or else there's not going to be a relationship."
- Highlights the importance of understanding and accepting decision-making roles in long-term relationships.
The Impact of Public Personas
- Examines how public figures shape perceptions and the skepticism that surrounds their intentions.
- Discusses the case of Candace Owens and the lack of charitability in her arguments.
"Most of the conjecture and conspiracy theories she puts up are due almost 100% just to a lack of charitability of what another person is saying."
- Critiques the tendency to draw conclusions without sufficient evidence or context.
Trust and Evidence in Political Narratives
- Discusses the importance of waiting for evidence before forming judgments on political matters.
- Highlights the complexities of political narratives and the need for critical evaluation.
"We don't have to make this giant speculative leap that foreign nations, especially Israel... killed him."
- Emphasizes the need for context and evidence in evaluating political claims.
The Role of Blackmail in Politics
- Explores the ethical implications of blackmail and manipulation in political strategies.
- Discusses the potential benefits and moral dilemmas associated with such tactics.
"Our federal government engages in blackmail operations like that all over the world along with other governments."
- Acknowledges the complexity of political strategies and their impact on global relations.
Personal Ethics versus Political Realities
- Debates the tension between personal ethics and the harsh realities of political decision-making.
- Considers the moral implications of political actions on individual values.
"It's such a powerful thing, Andrew. They've all been involved. Well, it's gone through four administrations."
- Highlights the ongoing struggle between maintaining personal ethics and navigating political landscapes.
The Burden of Leadership
- Discusses the heavy responsibilities and moral challenges faced by political leaders.
- Emphasizes the trade-offs and difficult decisions inherent in leadership roles.
"When you become a president, you have to accept the fact that your decisions will kill people."
- Acknowledges the weight of leadership and the impact of decisions on global and domestic levels.