In this episode of the 20 minutes VC, host Harry Stebbings interviews Nick Borto, founder of Bucks, Europe's largest mobile trading platform. Borto discusses his journey from online brokerage to entrepreneurship, aiming to simplify trading and make it accessible for a broader audience with low commissions and a fun, gamified app experience. He shares insights on being an older founder, the importance of a balanced team, and his fundraising strategy, including selecting investors who add value and align with the founder's vision. Borto also touches on operating within regulated environments, recommending partnerships to expedite market entry. He envisions Bucks expanding geographically, building a strong brand, and cultivating true fans to support future success.
"Now, Friday is great for two reasons. Firstly, obviously the weekend is coming, which is great for everyone. But secondly, it can only mean one thing. Here at the 20 minutes VC, it's time to bring out an incredible founder."
This quote sets the tone for the podcast episode, highlighting the tradition of featuring a distinguished founder every Friday.
"Nick is the founder of one of my favorite apps, Bucks Bux is Europe's largest mobile trading platform and app with an incredible 175,000 active users."
Harry Stebbings provides an introduction to Nick Borto and his app, Bucks, emphasizing its success and large user base.
"I worked in online brokerage for 15 years, so stock trading for retail investors, and I met loads of investors, but I met even more people who wanted to invest because the financial markets, the stock exchange, have a huge appeal to a lot of people."
Nick Borto discusses his extensive experience in the brokerage industry and the widespread interest in investing among the public.
"We basically created an app that makes trading so stock trading very straightforward, very easy to understand, extremely cheap. Our commissions started at a fraction of what normal commissions are. And last but not least, it's great fun because we added a lot of gaming elements to trading."
This quote explains the core features of Bucks, highlighting its user-friendly interface, low costs, and the integration of gaming elements to make trading enjoyable.
"I think it's good when you're slightly older. I read in an article in the New York Times that the idea about founders being very young is not completely true, actually, because the average founder of a startup is 38, I read, but I think it's great to be a little bit older."
Nick Borto refutes the myth of the young founder and presents the advantages of founding a startup at an older age.
"What really helped me is that during these 15 years in online brokerage, I understood the importance of a team. I kind of developed a talent for finding other talent."
Nick Borto discusses how his prior experience helped him appreciate the value of a strong team and his ability to recognize and recruit talent.## Finding a Co-Founder
"So I thought, if there are so many similarities, I need to find someone with a lot of games knowledge."
This quote explains Nick's rationale for seeking a co-founder with gaming knowledge, highlighting the importance of industry-specific expertise in his venture.
"And after drinking loads of cups of coffee with all kinds of people, I bumped into a guy and he's a specialist in gaming and he's also a specialist in mobile."
This quote details the networking process Nick went through to find his co-founder and emphasizes the blend of gaming and mobile expertise he was looking for.
"My story was convincing, I guess, because it didn't take me a lot of effort to make them join me."
This quote emphasizes the effectiveness of Nick's vision in convincing potential co-founders to join his business venture.
"The best advice is to find someone who is good at what you're not good at, and the opposite."
This quote offers practical advice for founders on how to build a well-rounded team by seeking co-founders with complementary skills.
"We do not use complex bells and whistles."
This quote highlights the simplicity and user-friendliness of Bucks' app, which is a key driver of its growth.
"So it's extremely straightforward."
This quote reinforces the importance of a simple and intuitive design in the app's success.
"I think we speak the language of the millennials. So no vague jargon or quasi intelligent bullshit."
This quote illustrates Bucks' approach to communication, which is tailored to be relatable and understandable for millennials, contributing to the brand's strength.
"And by building a great brand, it's easier to distinguish yourself from the competition."
This quote explains the strategic advantage of having a strong brand in the marketplace.
"When I look back, I especially look back at our first round with great pleas"
This incomplete quote suggests that Nick has fond memories of the initial fundraising round, though the specifics of the experience are not detailed.## Early Stage Investment Dynamics
"And those informal investors are often former entrepreneurs themselves, and they all have their own story." "So when you get hot, it's like investors are losing their minds a little bit."
The first quote emphasizes the value of learning from the experiences of informal investors, who are often former entrepreneurs. The second quote describes the sudden surge in investor interest when a startup gains popularity, highlighting the sometimes irrational excitement that can occur in the investment community.
"It's good to keep that in mind, but it's hard to say what your value in the future would be."
This quote underscores the difficulty in predicting future valuation and the importance of finding a balance in valuation during funding rounds to safeguard against future financial complications.
"No, I think you should try to raise more. Definitely not raise too much, because it doesn't make sense to have money sitting, sleeping on your bank account."
This quote advises startups to raise more money than the bare minimum to allow for unforeseen opportunities, while also cautioning against raising so much that the money is not used efficiently.
"18 months. Do you think that should be the general standard?"
The quote prompts a discussion on the standard length of runway startups should aim for, with the response indicating that it varies based on the startup's specific circumstances.
"I wouldn't talk to so many investors. I would make a list."
This quote suggests a strategic and focused approach to fundraising by targeting a select group of investors who are most likely to be a good fit for the startup, both professionally and personally.
"So my advice would be, don't do everything yourself, but try to find partners and focus at the thing you're good at."
This quote emphasizes the strategic advantage of focusing on core competencies and utilizing partnerships to navigate complex regulatory environments effectively.## Favorite Book and Entrepreneurial Inspiration
I just came back from holiday and I read the Elon Musk bio. This is one of the greatest bios I've read. It's a must read for every entrepreneur.
The quote emphasizes Nick's recommendation of the Elon Musk biography as an essential read for entrepreneurs, highlighting its impact and value.
I think running two huge companies that are SpaceX and Tesla that are probably going to change how we do things here on Earth. I think that's amazing. And of course, I don't know if he's ever going to manage but create a second life on Mars.
This quote outlines Nick's admiration for Elon Musk's ambitious projects with SpaceX and Tesla and his ultimate goal of colonizing Mars.
As a startup founder and CEO, it's appealing to read everything about startups, vcs, et cetera. But I think it's good to also keep having a feeling for what's happening on the other side of the world.
Nick explains the importance of balancing industry-specific knowledge with broader global awareness through his reading habits.
I'm convinced that it's here to stay because it's a much better way of gradually teaching people how something works.
The quote reveals Nick's conviction that gamification will persist due to its educational effectiveness, especially with complicated topics.
There's one app I particularly like, and that's called Braintos. It's a productivity app. I came across it a while ago, and it's the most efficient productivity app I ever came across.
Nick endorses the Braintos app for its productivity benefits, sharing his personal experience with the app.
The next five years I will be with Bucks and we want to build out our company geographically and not only build a great app, but also build a great brand.
The quote outlines Nick's strategic vision for Bucks, focusing on growth and brand development to create a loyal customer base.
Thanks a lot, Harry. It was a pleasure. Now for all the incredible books, blogs and apps mentioned in today's amazing episode with Nick, head on over to our blog at WW dot thetwentyminutevc.com
Harry wraps up the interview by thanking Nick and providing listeners with directions to find more information on the topics discussed, as well as teasing future content and expressing appreciation for the support in organizing the interview.