In a raw and revealing conversation, renowned magician Dynamo, also known as Steven Frayne, opens up about his tumultuous journey, marked by struggles with mental health, a life-threatening battle with Crohn's disease, and a legal dispute that stripped him of his stage name and social media presence. Despite his fame and success, Dynamo hit rock bottom, leading to a suicide attempt in November 2020. Through therapy and a reconnection with magic, he seeks to reinvent himself and inspire others facing adversity. Dynamo's candid discussion highlights the transformative power of vulnerability, the importance of seeking help, and the redemptive potential of sharing one's craft, as he prepares for a symbolic act of burying himself alive to signify the death of his old persona and the birth of a new chapter.
"I can't turn off the noise. And if I saw myself in a mirror, I'd slam my head into the mirror and just keep slamming it to make it go away. That's why I've disappeared."
This quote illustrates Dynamo's intense distress and the extreme measures he considered to escape his mental turmoil.
"Bottom six in November 2020? Because that was a day and I tried to kill myself."
The quote marks the severity of Dynamo's rock bottom and his struggle with suicidal thoughts.
"Magic's always been the thing that has given me hope that I've used to overcome the bullying, overcome the racist abuse and the lack of belief. And it made me stand out in a different way."
This quote emphasizes how magic served as a beacon of hope and a tool for Dynamo to overcome adversity.
"Suddenly, I got really sick. I couldn't hold the cards anymore. My body was deteriorating."
The quote reflects the physical challenges Dynamo faced that impacted his career and his identity as a magician.
"I had so many problems that I couldn't figure out how to even solve one of them. I felt if I'm not here, then everybody else might be happier."
This quote reveals Dynamo's sense of hopelessness and the weight of his personal and legal problems.
"I think ultimately, it's the ethos that sometimes magic is found in the most unlikely places."
The quote captures Dynamo's belief that magic can arise from challenging circumstances and can be a transformative force in one's life.
"I didn't know him enough to be able to say whether he was a good man or a bad man, because end of the day, just because you do that sort of stuff doesn't necessarily ultimately make you a bad person."
This quote reflects Dynamo's nuanced view of his father, acknowledging the complexity of character beyond illegal actions.
"There's going to be parts of that, but I'll never be closed off because, sadly, he's not alive anymore."
The quote indicates that Dynamo still feels emotional pain related to his father but recognizes the finality of his passing.
"I was scared at school about trying them because I'm, like, thinking, well, I'm already seen as this weird or this outcast is sharing magic with people."
This quote highlights how Dynamo initially feared that embracing magic would exacerbate his social isolation, but it ultimately provided a unique means of connecting with others.
"That was really where the magic began properly. Before that point, it was something that I was using to deflect attention from the other areas of my life that I was trying to hide." "It's almost like they become addicted to it in some way."
These quotes illustrate how Dynamo found magic as a means to cope with personal issues and the addictive nature of finding belonging in a craft.
"I've had a few moments where I've had life threatening operations." "And because it's inside you, your gut affects every part of your body, and then it has side effects, which one of the side effects is reactive arthritis, which is what I suffer from."
These quotes highlight the severity of Crohn's disease and its impact on Dynamo's life, including his career as a magician.
"By 29 years old, you have your own tv show called Dynamo Magician Impossible." "I guess that depends on what you class as. Like, what is success? Right?"
These quotes reflect on Dynamo's career milestones and his personal definition of success.
"And suddenly I'm in a position where I don't know what to do with myself, and magic isn't going to fix it." "I'm a magician who felt like back then, and still at times now, I'm a magician who feels like I can't do the first thing that a magician needs to do, perform magic."
These quotes convey the depth of Dynamo's health challenges and their profound impact on his identity and career as a magician.
"I think losing my nana ultimately was. I think the thing that, I guess, the straw that broke the camel's back." "I wasn't very nice to myself. There's a lot of pain, but also a lot of numbness."
These quotes reveal the emotional toll of Dynamo's personal losses and legal issues, leading to self-destructive behavior.
"grief, it's hard to see outside of your own grief, to see other people's. Do you know what I mean? And we were kind of almost together in those moments. We came together, but she was the one who ultimately got me to go to therapy and to get the help and support that I needed."
The quote emphasizes the challenge of recognizing and empathizing with the grief of others when one is deeply engulfed in their own. It also acknowledges the positive impact of his wife's support in his decision to seek professional help.
"Yeah. 6 November 2020."
The quote marks the specific date Dynamo considers his lowest point, indicating its significance in his memory and personal history.
"Because that was a day that I knew that she knew because she found me and I tried to kill myself."
This quote reveals the reason behind Dynamo's hardest day: his suicide attempt and the realization of his wife's awareness of his actions.
"This is the first time I've kind of done an interview that's not been with a therapist since 2020. So I trust you. You've been a help for me over the last few years."
The quote indicates Dynamo's discomfort with life and his cautious approach to interviews, highlighting his trust in Steven as a factor in his willingness to open up during this particular conversation.
"I'd probably hurt myself worse on previous occasions, but I'd never been found by the one person in this life whose opinion I genuinely care about."
The quote conveys the deep sense of shame and regret Dynamo feels for having his wife witness his suicide attempt, underscoring the emotional weight of the moment for both of them.
"I mean, I guess what my wife did, naturally, you would call someone for help, like a doctor or something like that. But even though I still feel it and I can't necessarily speak on her behalf, but she didn't make me feel ashamed."
This quote highlights the appropriate response to someone in a suicidal crisis—seeking professional help while ensuring the individual does not feel shame for their condition.
"And she became the rock. She gave me a love that I've never had to deal with it. And that is something that I didn't necessarily maybe know I needed in my life until that moment. And that ultimately kept me alive around this time."
The quote expresses Dynamo's realization of the importance of his wife's love and support, highlighting her role as his "rock" during his crisis.
"I think I was at a time in my life where I felt lost. And I knew if I stayed doing things exactly the same way that I'd always done them, then you're only going to get kind of the same results."
The quote reflects Dynamo's recognition that change was necessary to improve his mental state and break away from destructive patterns.
"I don't feel like I've wanted to kind of post things because I felt like my life hasn't been worth sharing."
This quote reveals Dynamo's lack of desire to engage with social media during his period of personal struggle, as he did not view his life as shareworthy at that time.
"Palm is always Dynama. Yeah, of course. Like. But the thing is, I've battled with knowing who they almost like has been a battle between me and myself, because the lines are so blurred, or were so blurred between the Stephen that you know and the dynamo that the greater world kind of knows."
The quote captures Dynamo's internal struggle with his dual identity as both the performer Dynamo and the individual Stephen, and the resulting confusion and conflict this has caused him.
"I can't turn off the noise. So then there's no space for magic to find its way in."
The quote metaphorically describes Dynamo's mental state as a cacophony that prevented him from accessing the creative space needed for his magic.
"So I got the first few bills and I was like, I can't sustain this. I need it. But having to pay for therapy was making me more stressed in the process because I just couldn't afford the Therapy. But Edward Sim, he showed me a kindness that I've kind of know, but I haven't seen in a long time, especially at that."
This quote discusses the financial burden of therapy and the relief and gratitude Dynamo felt when his therapist offered to continue treatment without charge.
"I use this thing called sonic reset therapy. Don't know if you know about it, it's this noise that you listen to. I listen to it twice a day for 20 minutes and it's definitely become something that calms me down and helps me sleep at night."
The quote introduces sonic reset therapy as a method Dynamo uses to manage his mental health, illustrating the various tools and resources that have aided his recovery.
"For people who've never read it, I recommend reading it. I'm a testimony you don't have to be an alcoholic to read it and gain something from it."
The quote endorses the Alcoholics Anonymous book as a valuable resource for anyone dealing with trauma, not just those with alcohol addiction, and emphasizes its impact on Dynamo's healing journey.
"And I've actually got to understand her better... It's in these conversations that I've learned about some of the physical abuse that my dad would do and that also that other partners of hers would given her."
The quote explains Dynamo's deeper comprehension of his mother's struggles and the abusive relationships she experienced, leading to a cycle of poor partner choices.
"I've come to learn from doing this podcast and speaking to a lot of psychologists that specialize on love, that we often seek out the form of love that we grew up on, and sometimes that's an abusive form of love."
Steven shares insights from psychologists on the tendency to replicate familiar forms of love from childhood, which can include abusive relationships.
"Definitely. I mean, I've felt powerless for years... And what this book opened up my mind to the idea of is the magic in other people."
Dynamo admits to his feelings of powerlessness and how his mindset has changed to appreciate the support and 'magic' found in other people.
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Steven highlights the popularity of conversation cards and endorses WHOOP as a tool for health improvement, emphasizing the product's impact on his own life.
"I just need to get magic back in my life, because that's the thing that I live for... I realized that if I could use that platform to speak to individuals candidly about dealing with any type of trauma, dealing with not feeling good enough, dealing with all the things that I felt that made me not want to be alive anymore, then maybe that can save someone else's life."
Dynamo expresses his desire to reintroduce magic into his life and use his platform to help others by discussing his own struggles with trauma and self-worth.
"I realized then that the dynamo, as we know it, needed to die with her... It's not like a stunt, it's not about escaping, it's a cleansing for me."
Dynamo explains his decision to perform a symbolic burial alive to mark the end of his previous persona and to cleanse himself as part of his personal growth.
"So take one out, Stephen... I'll make all the other cards disappear even... Can you write your name on the face of the car?"
Dynamo directs a magic trick with the podcast team, creating an interactive and memorable experience that leaves them astonished.
"Have you ever had a time in your life where you feel people have got close to you, but then they've almost, like, load you into a false sense of security so that they can almost manipulate you and pull at your heartstrings."
Dynamo uses magic to metaphorically explore the concept of emotional manipulation, using a trick that resonates with personal experiences of the participants.
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Steven promotes Huel products, sharing his personal preferences and recommending them to listeners for their nutritional benefits.