Calley & Casey Means: How Big Pharma Keeps You Sick, and the Dark Truth About Ozempic and the Pill

Tucker Carlson announces a new documentary series, "Art of the Surge," offering unseen footage of Donald Trump's presidential campaign. In the latest episode, he interviews siblings Calley and Casey Means about their book on food, nutrition, and the health crisis in America. Casey, a Stanford-trained surgeon, left her medical career after realizing that the healthcare system profits from treating symptoms rather than addressing root causes. Calley, a former lobbyist, discusses how processed food and pharmaceutical industries have corrupted health policies. They advocate for a return to whole, organic foods and systemic changes to improve public health.

• Casey Means' background:
  • Stanford Medical School graduate.
  • Specialized in head and neck surgery.
  • Achieved top honors and was president of her Stanford class.

"I was president of my Stanford class, you know, graduating top of my class with honors in medical school and went on to a very competitive surgical subspecialty."

• Realization of systemic issues in healthcare:
  • Observed worsening health in patients despite advanced medical training.
  • Noted that medical training focused more on treatment than root causes of illnesses.

"Nine years into my postgraduate training. And I looked around me and I realized that, you know, patients in America are getting destroyed."

• Decision to leave surgery:
  • Felt incapacitated by training to understand and address root causes of illnesses.
  • Left surgical career to focus on why Americans are getting sicker.

"On my 30th birthday, I walked into the office of the chair of the department, and I put down the scalpel and I walked away."

• Fragmented approach to patient care:
  • Over 100 medical and surgical subspecialties leading to fragmented patient care.
  • Financial incentives to treat rather than cure.

"How you make money in the American health care system is you take a patient with ten different issues and you send them to ten different specialists."

• Influence of pharmaceutical companies:
  • Medical education heavily funded by pharmaceutical companies.
  • Focus on treatment protocols rather than preventive care.

"Part of this is because, you know, who are the people underwriting our medical education? It's the pharmaceutical companies."

• Historical context of food industry:
  • Cigarette companies transitioned to processed food industry.
  • Creation of ultra-processed foods and manipulation of dietary guidelines.

"The food industry, and the processed food industry was created by the cigarette industry."

• Influence on dietary guidelines:
  • Food pyramid and other guidelines influenced by processed food industry lobbying.

"They created the food pyramid. So the cigarette industry, through the food companies they bought, paid off the FDA, the USDA, Harvard to create reports saying sugar doesn't cause obesity."

• Economic incentives for chronic illness:
  • Health care system profits from chronic conditions.
  • Pharmaceutical and food industries benefit from maintaining the status quo.

"The best thing for that industry is a child getting sick. When a child gets sick or any American gets sick with a chronic condition with diabetes, obesity, kidney disease, heart disease, whatever. They go on a lifetime medication."

• Alarming health statistics:
  • High rates of obesity, diabetes, and other chronic conditions.
  • Increasing rates of mental health issues and infertility.

"74% of American adults now are overweight or obese. Close to 50% of children are overweight or obese."

• Impact on life expectancy and quality of life:
  • Decreasing life expectancy despite high healthcare spending.
  • High rates of infant and maternal mortality.

"We have the highest infant and maternal mortality rate in the entire developed world. Despite spending two times more on infant maternal care than any other country."

• Hepatitis B vaccine example:
  • Given to newborns despite low risk of exposure.
  • Driven by economic incentives rather than medical necessity.

"A child born, let's just take the side. The child's born hepatitis B is spread by two routes sexually transmitted disease or intravenous needles. So my one day old isn't going to be having sex or doing heroin right away."

• Broader implications for vaccine schedules:
  • Economic benefits for pharmaceutical companies to get vaccines on mandatory schedules.
  • Lack of transparency and questioning allowed in public discourse.

"There's actually no dynamic in American capitalism like the vaccine schedule, because the second you get something on that schedule, the government's paying hundreds of billions of dollars for a product that's been mandated for every single American living."

• Influence of pharmaceutical funding:
  • Media and tech companies heavily funded by pharmaceutical ads.
  • Resulting in censorship and control over public discourse on health issues.

"Pharma is the number one funder of mainstream news media and one of the largest funders for YouTube ads."

• Impact on public perception and policy:
  • Selective outrage and emphasis on pharmaceutical solutions over preventive care.
  • Lack of focus on nutrition and lifestyle changes despite their importance.

"Why is it when we have nine out of ten killers, Americans are preventable lifestyle conditions when 95% of medical costs go towards reversible chronic conditions that the case is talking about, why isn't there that urgency of the medical community educating parents about why people are getting sick?"

• Systemic corruption and economic incentives are at the root of America's health crisis.
• Need for a paradigm shift towards understanding and addressing root causes of illnesses.
• Advocacy for transparency and accountability in both the healthcare and food industries.

"The reasons why Americans are getting sick, sicker every year are very simple. Americans want to be healthy. Americans do not want to die early. They do not want to see their kids with all these chronic health issues like autism and food allergies and obesity and pre-diabetes, and 40% of teens with mental health issues, no one wants this. But the system is rigged against the American patient to create diseases and then profit off of them."

• The current healthcare system prioritizes the number of patients seen over patient outcomes.
• Doctors are incentivized to see more patients and write more prescriptions rather than ensuring patient health improvements.
• The phrase "you eat what you kill" highlights the volume-driven nature of private practice medicine.

"We are paid for volume, not outcomes. Now, should you see that as a surgeon? I'm going. Yeah. So absolutely I mean it's it's it's how many chart notes can you write. And Bill every day. That's why doctors are seeing 30 to 40 patients a day with 15 different diagnoses for each one."

• Doctors are financially rewarded for the volume of patients they see, not the quality of care provided.

"The unofficial mantra of private practice medicine is you eat what you kill, which means you get paid. You eat for how much volume you can do, how many surgeries you can sell, how many people you can get through in and out of your office."

• The emphasis on volume over outcomes leads to suboptimal patient care, focusing on prescriptions rather than holistic health improvements.

• Value-based care aims to improve patient outcomes while reducing costs, but it has been corrupted by corporate interests.
• Quality metrics (MIPs) often focus on medication adherence rather than actual health improvements.

"But even that was corrupted by corporate interests because how the doctor had to report on quality was through these metrics called MIPs, basically, you know, merit based incentive, little criteria. And they were most of them were based on how many of their patients were medicated."

• The system measures success by medication adherence rather than disease reversal or health improvement.

"So the actual good outcome was defined by medication adherence in a practice rather than is the patient reverse of their disease."

• The focus on medication adherence over actual health outcomes undermines the potential benefits of value-based care.

• Medical schools receive significant funding from pharmaceutical companies, influencing the curriculum.
• The influence of pharmaceutical companies on medical education can lead to biased training and practice.

"When I was at Stanford Medical School, we got a $3 million grant from Pfizer to revise our curriculum with. And you can look up the articles from this time. It was around 2011 that the the grant was with no strings attached. They had no control over what the curriculum developed was going to be. But, you know, if you're accepting $3 million from Pfizer, of course it's going to have an influence on what we're learning."

• The dean of Stanford Medical School received consulting payments from opioid makers, influencing opioid guidelines.

"Pfizer was the one of the largest opioid makers. And, he received direct consulting payments from opioid makers. And that year that they received that Pfizer grant, he was appointed, which I was actually involved with, was working for pharma at the time to an NIH panel to make opioid, guidance with the with the burgeoning crisis."

• The involvement of pharmaceutical companies in medical education can lead to recommendations that benefit the industry rather than patient health.

• Medical education and practice often focus on specialization, leading to a fragmented view of the body.
• The emphasis on specialization can result in a lack of understanding of the interconnectedness of different body systems.

"We have convinced people and doctors at the body is 100 separate parts. The body is one system, one unified system. Obviously something happening your toe can affect everywhere else in the body."

• The prestige associated with hyper-specialization diminishes the value of primary care and general specialties.

"What is the most prestigious doctor? Right. It's someone who is hyper sub specialized. We basically diminish the value of primary care in pediatrics, these general specialties."

• Fragmented care leads to patients seeing multiple specialists without a cohesive understanding of their overall health.

• Incentives play a crucial role in shaping healthcare practices and outcomes.
• Changing incentives could significantly improve public health and healthcare efficiency.

"Incentives are why Americans are sick right now. If we change the incentives, we'd get healthy in two years. Our country would be the most competitive country in the world."

• The current incentives in healthcare prioritize financial gain over patient health, leading to widespread chronic illness and poor health outcomes.

• The speaker's parents emphasized questioning and critical thinking, which influenced their perspective on healthcare.
• A focus on spirituality and non-conformity shaped the speaker's approach to medicine and health.

"My parents incentive in our family was to ask questions, not to have any stars or marks or anything, you know? So what was celebrated in our family was sitting down at the at the dinner table in D.C. and asking questions and poking at ideas."

• The speaker's parents celebrated independent thinking and personal growth over traditional measures of success.

• The speaker's mother followed medical advice diligently but ultimately died from preventable conditions.
• The mother's experience highlights the failures of the current healthcare system to address root causes of disease.

"She had me when she was 40. I was a humongous baby born. And Sibley Hospital. I was almost 12 pounds. Carly was almost 12 pounds. And that's a huge baby. And, you know, that's actually a term for a baby over 8.5 pounds, which is fetal marker someo, which portends metabolic issues in a mother and metabolic issues in the baby."

• The mother's health deteriorated despite following medical advice, illustrating the system's focus on symptom management rather than prevention.

"She gets a diagnosis of, she has some shed, some belly pain one day, went to the doctor. It lasted for a few weeks. She got a CT scan stage for widely metastatic pancreatic cancer. She was dead 13 days later."

• The speaker's mother's death was not due to bad luck but a predictable outcome of the healthcare system's failures.

• Environmental toxins and lifestyle factors significantly impact health, contributing to chronic diseases.
• The widespread use of pesticides and plastics disrupts hormonal and metabolic functions.

"So the the ostensibly these these chemicals are being used 6 billion pounds globally per year because of pest control. They're also being used on our children's parks and golf courses and all over the place. They're invisible, they're tasteless, and they are directly toxic to our cellular biology."

• The merger of pharmaceutical and agrochemical companies highlights the conflict of interest in addressing health issues.

"The largest merger ever done in Germany was Bayer Monsanto, where Bayer which is a pharmaceutical company merged with Monsanto, which is an agrochemical company, United States. If you look at what, Bayer makes, they make cancer drugs for things like non-Hodgkin's lymphoma."

• The impact of environmental toxins on health is often downplayed or hidden by industry-funded research.

• The consumption of ultra-processed foods is a major contributor to chronic diseases and obesity.
• Processed foods are designed to be addictive and disrupt natural satiety mechanisms.

"We are the only species in the world that has an obesity and chronic disease epidemic because of ultra processed food. You think about every other animal in the wild. They're eating real natural foods except for domesticated animals, which are also getting chronic diseases just like humans because they're eating our food."

• The prevalence of processed foods in the American diet leads to overconsumption and poor health outcomes.

• Ozempic is a medication that promotes satiety but does not address the root causes of obesity.
• The widespread use of Ozempic could lead to significant side effects and does not solve the underlying issues of poor diet and lifestyle.

"It's a stranglehold on the US population. Almost like solidifying this idea that there is a magic pill. I mean, literally, the book by Johann Ari is called Magic Pill. And convincing us that, you know, salvation from our chronic health issues is going to be found in a shot when we are living in a toxic stew that's destroying our cellular biology."

• The potential side effects of Ozempic include muscle loss, thyroid cancer, and kidney dysfunction.

"It disproportionally causes us to lose muscle mass, which creates frailty, which is one of the things that can cause old people in all age have very poor quality of life and early death. It has a higher rate of thyroid cancer. It has risks on the label of kidney dysfunction, of pancreatitis, of all sorts of things."

• The focus on medications like Ozempic diverts attention from addressing the root causes of obesity and chronic disease.

• The healthcare system is rigged to profit from chronic illness rather than preventing it.
• Economic incentives drive the focus on medications and treatments rather than holistic health improvements.

"We are getting destroyed. And this is the invisible hand. And we just have to understand this. When we're thinking about health care policy, there's nothing more powerful than a sick child, as I said, or really hijacking a kid's dopamine."

• Addressing the root causes of chronic illness requires a systemic change in incentives and societal values.

• Chronic diseases are being perpetuated by the medical system for profit.
• The government is spending exorbitant amounts on medical treatments, particularly for lower-income individuals.
• The medical system labels certain treatments as social justice issues to justify high costs.
• The root causes of chronic diseases, such as obesity, are not being addressed.

"It's the chronic disease treadmill. They're told that injection is a savior. Right. And then the government, it's the largest line item in our budget. It's going to bankrupt a country."

• Chronic diseases are a significant financial burden on the government and are increasing rapidly.

"We have to pay $1,500 for 74% of U.S. adults who are overweight or obese per month."

• The medical system is promoting expensive treatments without addressing the root causes of obesity.

• The USDA nutrition guidelines incorporate social justice components, affecting food recommendations.
• The argument is made that suggesting non-toxic food is classist and racist.
• The food system is compromised, leading to poor health outcomes.

"It's racist to eat non-poisonous food in America. It is classist and racist to suggest that mothers shouldn't be poisoning their kids."

• The USDA argues that affordability issues make it classist and racist to suggest healthier food options.

• Pharmaceutical companies have significant influence over medical guidelines and treatments.
• Drugs like Ozempic are being promoted without addressing the underlying health issues.
• There is a financial incentive to keep people on lifelong medications.

"How is it? How can we how are we so delusional that we think it is easier to inject a child weekly for life than find a way to get that child healthy food?"

• The preference for pharmaceutical solutions over lifestyle changes is criticized.

• Chronic disease medications have historically been ineffective.
• The shift towards chronic disease management began in the 1960s with the introduction of the birth control pill.
• The medical system profits more from managing chronic conditions than curing them.

"The history of chronic disease medications has been a complete disaster. We always say, if you have a gunshot wound, an emergency surgical need that's going to kill you right away. Complicated childbirth, infection, 100%. The medical systems, American acute. Issues. Chronic disease. Medications didn't exist before 1960."

• The focus on chronic disease management rather than acute care has grown significantly since the 1960s.

• The birth control pill is criticized for its long-term health impacts on women.
• It is prescribed for various conditions beyond birth control, such as acne and PCOS.
• The suppression of natural hormonal cycles is seen as harmful to women's health.

"We are prescribing them like candy. We're prescribing them for acne. We're prescribing them for PCOS, polycystic ovarian syndrome, the leading cause of infertility. United States, which is a metabolic issue driven by our food, and how the food interacts with genetics."

• The over-prescription of birth control pills for various conditions is highlighted.

• The rise of industrial agriculture and the use of pesticides are linked to health issues.
• Pesticides developed during World War II are now used in agriculture, impacting food quality.
• The farm bills subsidize unhealthy food production, making processed foods cheaper.

"We have lost respect for life, which again gets to the spiritual Christ. Go and keep going. I love this. And I think you. Are speaking truth right now."

• The connection between industrial agriculture and a loss of respect for life is emphasized.

• The government subsidizes commodity crops that are turned into processed foods.
• This makes unhealthy foods cheaper and more accessible, particularly for lower-income individuals.
• The market is rigged against small farmers and favors large corporations.

"The farm bills are making all these unhealthy foods cheaper. They federally subsidize commodity crops which are turned into processed food."

• The impact of farm bill subsidies on food prices and health is discussed.

• Dementia, particularly Alzheimer's, is linked to metabolic dysfunction.
• Lifestyle factors such as diet, exercise, and avoiding smoking are crucial in preventing dementia.
• There are no effective drugs to reverse Alzheimer's, but lifestyle changes can help.

"There are amazing researchers like doctor Dale Bredesen, the doctor David Perlmutter, many others who have shown that we can reverse the symptoms of Alzheimer's with a healthier lifestyle."

• The potential for lifestyle changes to reverse Alzheimer's symptoms is highlighted.

• Personalized medicine, including comprehensive blood tests, can help identify and address metabolic dysfunction.
• Standard medical tests often miss early signs of metabolic issues.
• Understanding individual nutrient needs and addressing deficiencies can prevent chronic diseases.

"You can get more of a personalized view, and then you can attack those deficiencies with food and with supplementation and get the root cause of things under control."

• The benefits of personalized medicine and comprehensive blood tests are discussed.

• Obamacare incentivizes higher healthcare costs by allowing insurance companies to profit from increased spending.
• The lack of cost controls leads to rising healthcare expenses and more people getting sick.
• The healthcare system profits from chronic diseases rather than preventing them.

"Obamacare actually incentivized insurance companies to have no cost controls. What is no cost controls means it means more people getting sick."

• The impact of Obamacare on healthcare costs and chronic disease management is criticized.

• Several executive orders could be signed to address conflicts of interest and reduce healthcare costs.
• These include preventing pharma companies from charging Americans more than Europeans and removing conflicts of interest in medical research.
• The focus should be on reducing processed food consumption and promoting healthier lifestyles.

"Tomorrow the president could sign. That was actually DTC. Pharma advertising was an executive order from Reagan. It could be an executive order tomorrow."

• The potential for executive orders to address healthcare issues and conflicts of interest is discussed.

• Pharmaceutical advertising heavily influences mainstream media.
• This leads to biased information and a lack of critical discussion about healthcare issues.
• Reducing or eliminating pharmaceutical advertising could improve the quality of information available to the public.

"Why the hell is our media playing referee for defending pharmaceutical companies? Why. Why why are they in silence? How are they suppressing any questions around that?"

• The influence of pharmaceutical advertising on media and public information is criticized.

• The healthcare system's incentives are misaligned, promoting sickness rather than health.
• Conflicts of interest in medical research and guidelines need to be addressed.
• A focus on personalized medicine and preventative care could transform healthcare outcomes.

"The most important dynamic in America, I believe, is when a child or a parent is sitting across their doctor at the first stage of metabolic dysfunction."

• The importance of addressing incentives and conflicts of interest in the healthcare system is emphasized.

• Discusses the moral dilemma faced by high achievers who find their system morally unacceptable and choose to opt out.
• Raises questions about those who do not opt out and their roles within the system.

"You were the highest achiever in your neighborhood, and you find that the system you're living in is incompatible with your values, it's morally unacceptable to you, and you opt out, but you're the only one who helps out."

• Highlights the loneliness and moral conflict of opting out of a flawed system.

• Addresses the high suicide and burnout rates among doctors.
• Compares the psychological dynamics of doctors to soldiers forced into war crimes.
• Discusses the systemic issues within the medical profession that lead to feelings of entrapment and moral distress.

"The highest suicide rate of any profession, any profession. America's doctors. Really. And the highest burnout rate."

• Indicates the severity of mental health issues among doctors.

"The New York Times compared doctors to, like, Abu Gharib, like soldiers who are forced to do horrible things or felt like they were forced."

• Draws a parallel between the moral distress of doctors and soldiers.

• Emphasizes the need for leadership to change the healthcare system.
• Discusses the role of executive orders in changing incentives within the healthcare system.

"We need some people with that type of attitude because that's the it's the same thing. It's like, well, these children are dying, but you know, what are you going to it's like, well, they're playing along with it."

• Highlights the need for a bold attitude to drive systemic change in healthcare.

• Criticizes the influence of pharmaceutical companies on the FDA.
• Highlights the rejection of scientific recommendations by the USDA due to conflicts of interest.

"Why is 75% of the FDA budget coming from pharma?"

• Points out the financial influence of pharmaceutical companies on regulatory bodies.

"The medical advisory board to that panel said that we should absolutely reduce sugar recommendations from 10% to 6% of total calories. And it was rejected by the USDA."

• Illustrates the conflict between scientific advice and regulatory decisions.

• Suggests using the tax and legal system to incentivize healthy food purchases.
• Criticizes the current system where unhealthy foods are cheaper and more accessible.

"We need to change the farm bills. But we also need give people more flexibility to use tax free dollars to buy healthy products like organic food."

• Proposes changes to farm bills and tax incentives to promote healthy eating.

• Criticizes the marketing of processed foods to children.
• Highlights the association between processed foods and chronic diseases.

"We're one of the only developed countries that's allowing our TVs, Nickelodeon, for 28% of the ads to children to be able to process foods that we know are associated with chronic disease."

• Points out the high rate of processed food advertisements targeting children.

• Discusses PCOS as a leading cause of female infertility.
• Highlights the lack of education among doctors about the root causes of PCOS.
• Emphasizes the role of insulin resistance in PCOS and the potential for dietary interventions.

"PCOS is the leading cause of female infertility. Anyone listening of childbearing age will know about this. It's an epidemic right now."

• Indicates the prevalence and impact of PCOS.

"PCOS is a metabolic condition. It's fundamentally related to insulin resistance."

• Explains the metabolic nature of PCOS.

• Criticizes the lack of nutrition education in medical training.
• Highlights the focus on pharmaceutical interventions over dietary solutions.

"The average doctor is getting zero education in nutrition, and so they don't even see this."

• Points out the gap in medical education regarding nutrition.

• Discusses the economic incentives for doctors to prefer invasive procedures over natural remedies.
• Criticizes the financial motivations behind recommending expensive treatments like IVF.

"If that woman goes on a keto diet, which is the best reversal technique for a PCOS ever studied 12 weeks. They are robbing that doctor just from an economic perspective of tens of thousands of dollars for a gruesome, invasive IVF procedure."

• Highlights the financial conflict of interest in medical recommendations.

• Emphasizes the need to avoid ultra-processed foods and focus on organic, unprocessed foods.
• Criticizes the modern food system for promoting unhealthy, processed foods.

"We need to stop eating ultra-processed food. We need to stop eating. What is ultra-processed can just give like examples. Absolutely."

• Advocates for avoiding ultra-processed foods.

"We need to be eating organic, unprocessed foods for the vast enjoyed our calories, and we need to get back to having a sense of pride and responsibility in our households to cook food."

• Encourages a return to home-cooked, organic meals.

• Discusses the cultural shift away from home-cooked meals due to the feminist movement.
• Emphasizes the importance of cooking for family health and well-being.

"One of the unintentional downsides of the feminist movement is that we somehow made people feel that food preparation was like a less than activity."

• Reflects on the cultural changes in attitudes towards cooking.

• Highlights the importance of sourcing food from farmers' markets and choosing organic options.
• Discusses the differences in nutritional quality between organic and conventionally farmed foods.

"I eat organic, unprocessed foods that I buy at the farmer's market, and I cook every single meal for my partner and I."

• Advocates for organic and locally sourced foods.

• Criticizes the influence of food companies on government dietary guidelines.
• Suggests simplifying public health messages to reduce processed food consumption.

"I'd replace it with one guideline is that we need to, as a public policy matter, reduce, reduce all the processed food consumption on children."

• Proposes a simplified approach to public dietary guidelines.

• Discusses the excessive sugar consumption in modern diets and its health impacts.
• Highlights the role of high fructose corn syrup in promoting obesity and metabolic dysfunction.

"The average American is eating over 100 pounds of added sugar per year. In the 1800s, it was less than 5 pounds."

• Illustrates the dramatic increase in sugar consumption over time.

• Explains how fructose contributes to metabolic dysfunction and obesity.
• Discusses the strategic use of high fructose corn syrup by the food industry to promote overconsumption.

"Fructose creates metabolic dysfunction, causes us to turn our sugar to fat to basically store fat for winter."

• Describes the metabolic effects of fructose.

• Encourages trusting intuition and common sense in food choices.
• Criticizes the medical system for undermining patient autonomy and understanding.

"I think a lot of this comes back to trusting our intuition. When I every Sunday after I go to the farmer's market, I lay out all the food, you know, the venison that came from, you know, someone who owns a beautiful ranch outside of LA, the the beautiful heirloom tomatoes that are colorful with purples, the, the watermelon radishes."

• Advocates for intuitive eating and appreciation of whole foods.

• Discusses the impact of diet on mental sharpness and cognitive function.
• Highlights the negative effects of blood sugar swings on cognitive performance.

"If you have a big blood sugar swing, which the average American, because the vast majority of our calories are coming from ultra processed food that turn into glucose in our bloodstream, blood sugar, right. When you have a big glucose spike and crash that is associated with reduced fact, recall."

• Explains the cognitive impact of blood sugar fluctuations.

• Emphasizes the spiritual and biological importance of food in human life.
• Discusses the role of food in energy creation and overall well-being.

"We are miracles, like every human is a miracle. This life is a miracle. Like, this is weird. I mean, spiritual beings having this insane experience on planet Earth."

• Reflects on the spiritual significance of food and life.

• Highlights the metabolic health crisis among Americans, including babies.
• Discusses the long-term consequences of poor metabolic health on future generations.

"There's a metabolic health crisis among babies that are born. Mothers are passing metabolic dysfunction and essentially almost pre-diabetes on to kids in mass."

• Points out the intergenerational impact of metabolic dysfunction.

• Links the populist frustration with institutions to the failure of the healthcare system.
• Emphasizes the need for systemic change to address health issues.

"To me, what's happening to our health and the line that's how about your health and the fact that we're not hearing things like this and hearing that drugs are our saviors and just keep doing more the same from industries that are profiting from that sickness? To me, it is actually is the number one example."

• Connects the health crisis to broader societal frustrations with institutional failures.